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the smoke radio for the masses of July 8

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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that a flying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game changer

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Fade to Black with your host Jimmy

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Church on the game changer Radio Network

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church and tonight we have Ryan Sprague

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with us and tonight's episode was

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now on all platforms I'm your host Jimmy

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church tonight Our Guest is Ryan Sprague

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now Ryan he's got a new book out uh his

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show was called Somewhere in the skies

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everybody knows that he's the host of

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that and his new book another book I'm

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so proud that he has got the patience

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and the focus to write a book because I

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don't it impresses me his new book is

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called stories from somewhere in the

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skies we're going to be getting into all

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of that

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um and now he's done a lot of his uh

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History Channel he's done uh uh Ancient

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Aliens he's uh the lead investigator and

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co-host of the Mysteries decoded on the

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CW Network and of course somewhere in

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the skies and you can check out

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everything in somewhere in the skies.com

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other than that I'm done reading this

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man's bio it is so long it's such a

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tender young age and I would like to

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welcome back to faded black my good

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friend Ryan Sprague there he is

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everybody

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Ryan's break from England from the UK

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transplant Ryan welcome back to the show

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we'll get into that in a second how you

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doing my friend I'm doing good Jimmy hey

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it's uh it's 3 A.M here but I told you I

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got the I got the coffee going the whole

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pot here so I'm excited man this is one

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of my first inner views since my new

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book came out so thank you thank you for

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having me you're always so supportive

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yeah you're you're the best

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um I remember okay now I'm not I'm not

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here to embarrass you or anything like

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that but I remember

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um when I started to follow you when you

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were a roving reporter phoning in from

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UFO conferences so I'm here in Austin

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and it's great Stan Friedman just hit

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the stage and I'm like who was this kid

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right and uh and then you you went right

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into a book deal uh with uh Richard

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Dolan right and that was fantastic

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um and then you just you just took off

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man and and just a very impressive uh

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run you've had a great career of course

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playwright you know Broadway all of that

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um right on my brother it's uh it's been

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really fun hanging out with you over the

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years and you've been on the show an

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awful lot but it's been a while since

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you have been here how did you land

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you're in Scotland correct okay what

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what what's the deal there because you

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kind of freaked out the community yeah I

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know a lot of people thought I was I was

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disappearing forever but um it was

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um just one of those moments in life

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Jimmy where uh the opportunity came and

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uh I ceased it my my wonderful amazing

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partner is getting a PhD here in

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Scotland Edinburgh Scotland and you know

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uh we had to make that decision to leave

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New York is the place to be for that but

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um and honestly it's actually helped my

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cool cases out here and um and

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everything's haunted too yeah you moved

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to the most haunted City on planet Earth

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turn there's a ghost no seriously how

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does that feel I mean it is truly

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haunted the city yes absolutely man I

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and just the history is just bleeding

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off of the buildings and the sidewalks

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and you know I've done the ghost tours

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you know that you pay to go see and and

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all that but honestly I just love you

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know turning the corner seeing a cool

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building throwing it in the old Google

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machine and seeing what history is there

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and uh you you'd just be amazed living

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somewhere like here coming from the

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states everything's so young in America

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building here is over four or 500 years

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he's got one of the biggest castles you

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um so uh there's that but anytime you

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see pictures of and how it just

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dominates your field of vision it is so

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big and tall all right and it's just

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everyone over on the east coast Peter

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Robbins you know one of my mentors we

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York at our favorite you know gritty

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and in theater so you know there's

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there but uh it's a whole new life I've

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met so many uh UK based UFO researchers

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of this topic in this country and um

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it's really only opened the doors for my

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personal research I mean I mean even my

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book has cases from all over the UK so

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um that's a really good that's where I

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I'm glad that you did that you talk this

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is host to host see I I don't have to do

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crap tonight

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actually kick back wind up Ryan and let

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him go but but I have been asking a few

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of my veteran friends lately

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um this question which I'm going to ask

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you because and you're you're special

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because you have uh it's been about 10

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journey uh in UFO research author TV

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host radio host right uh podcast uh

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everything that you've been doing

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subject of your book right what have you

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learned what is your takeaway today

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that I I call it a cliche but you know

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mean welcome to ufology when when I

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first started man yeah cheers to that I

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roving thing I I would go to these UFO

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conferences I would work backstage I

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don't care you want me to sweep the

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floor I'll do it I just want to be at

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these events and learn from these these

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people who've been studying this topic

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for forever Stanton Friedman and and all

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those guys and even now you know some 10

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years later having interviewed them at

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this point and hearing the same thing

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um I'm no closer to answers than I was

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when I first started it's frustrating

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well what's the point where's this all

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heading um if we're never going to get

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the answers then then why do it and for

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uh the people I met along the way you

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and and so many other researchers uh but

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also the people who've had experiences

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as I'm sure we'll get to that's kind of

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my ufology you know I'm not a not a

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field investigator I'm not you know out

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there looking for trace evidence and and

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all that I I like talking to people I

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like hearing their stories and that's

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for me it's just the the amount of

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stories that have come to me at

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somewhere in the skies and um yeah yeah

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that's kind of what it is man the

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journey for me it's not the destination

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and it makes me laugh I follow your

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social media and I've I've done it from

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very effective with it and you're also

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where dipping your toe in the water and

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the reaction from every you you posted

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about Bob Lazar now haven't you learned

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one thing that's the subject you gotta

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leave alone right no no you know what I

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was thinking I know I know you did the

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well okay here we go so and I was

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polarizing uh Personalities in all of

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ufology it's it's Bob Lazar there's no

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real Middle Road with him you can't have

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a middle opinion it it's the two

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extremes and the two camps are are so

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well dug in nobody's going to give in

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um why did you choose to do that I know

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why because of Joe Rogan and Eric

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Weinstein I get that but couldn't you uh

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yeah was there a moment before you click

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tweet where you went nah I'm not going

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to do it every time every single time

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and I never learn man I I think you know

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when it comes to this topic we're all so

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passionate about it and we quote unquote

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passion tweet a lot you know what we

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feel something in the moment and we just

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want to get it out there and you know I

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think I was feeling kind of that bug

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that everyone was feeling with this

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whole Weinstein and Rogan and Bob Lazar

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thing okay there's a good example when I

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first started in ufology all in all in

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on Bob Lazar

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yeah and even you know further into my

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ufological career I still was in fact uh

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when he spoke at the I believe it was

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the 2013 UFO Congress like the most

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well-attended yet for them out there in

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Arizona because Bob Lazar was gonna be

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there this guy who never does

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conferences never really speaks uh and I

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had the opportunity uh to work backstage

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during the event and actually put the

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microphone on Bob and and get him ready

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to go out on stage with uh George Knapp

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to do a talk and um you know again I was

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a young young guy in the field I was

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nervous of shaken as I put this thing on

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this like icon of ufology and pop

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culture to be completely honest and um I

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got a few minutes to talk to him and he

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just seemed like a cool guy and you know

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he was nervous to be there and talk and

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this that this and that um to make a a

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long story short

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um I still believed him then uh but as

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the years have gone on and and I've dug

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deeper into the story and and spoken to

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other people

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um you know you start to learn a little

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bit more and and that starts to kind of

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strip away and the skepticism starts to

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come in and I think now as uh time has

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gone on I'm a little bit uh like you

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said that there's no middle ground with

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Bob Lazar

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I went from believer to middle and now

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I'm leaning towards I don't believe

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everything he says but there's still

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that small part of me that wants to

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believe I'm right there with you my

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brother I am so right there with you

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because I was all in for 30 years 30

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years I invested into Lazar

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and for me to pull back after 30 years

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firmly planted man I I was very

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confident I I had no issues

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um and then you know things you know and

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I like I like your meter right because

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this started to float around for me

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and for me to not feel as confident

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um like I used to is a strange feeling

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for me

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um it's only happened a couple of times

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with me with ufology it happened to me

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with uh

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um uh Billy Meyer I was all in uh with

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Billy Meyer for years

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and and and today I'm not and it's it's

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you know when I look back I think about

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like you said you know the innocent side

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of me but today with Bob this is the

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thing

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um what apparently

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is has been requested from Rogan is a

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sit down with Eric Weinstein and Bob

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Lazar

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by themselves right right nobody else

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there

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and uh that's a tough one for for Bob

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you know Bob you know that's you know

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George Knapp is different you know

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George Knapp and him have a relationship

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that goes back a long ways and and

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that's a that's an interview that Bob's

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comfortable with I understand why

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um but bringing in somebody like Eric

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Weinstein to have a conversation about

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MIT and physics and and and other things

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I don't think it's a you know

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uh I manage so I I just don't see it

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happening and I don't either and you

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know I I I wanted to because I think

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it'd be a great conversation you know I

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wasn't out to like to say you know if

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Bob Lazar does not do this interview

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he's a complete liar he's a fraud like

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we know these things are not black and

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white there's probably some truth to the

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entire Bulbasaur story and some not but

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you know you you hit the nail on the

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head I think Bob is a nervous person

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he's anti-social I've seen it firsthand

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I mean the way he was right before he

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went on that stage in 2013. so you know

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in terms of do I regret the Tweet

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um in some ways but at the same time I

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just want to see them have the

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conversation it's not about catching Bob

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Lazar in a lie no it's I don't think

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it's about that at all but there there

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is there are some clouds of mystery that

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need to be cleared up one way or the

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other

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um and the only way to do that is

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something like this but Bob at his age

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does he care does does he want to do

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this or need to do this you know if the

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community wants it it would be the most

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watched Rogan podcast and that says a

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lot I mean that sees the most

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influential podcaster on planet Earth

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right

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um and this would potentially be big his

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biggest show ever

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you know and so yeah um but the other

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part about it is this

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I love what you said there there's

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grains of Truth

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right I just think Bob I I think Bob

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might have been at area 51. I don't know

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that agreed or I don't know that for

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sure but I think that that actually

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happened he knew some things

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and then he let it get away from him

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he let the story become bigger and

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bigger and bigger and he let things get

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away he didn't know that there was going

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to be a thing called the internet right

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I don't even know about that stuff and

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he let it get away from him and that's

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the that those are the clouds you know

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was he actually at Area 51 yes did

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everything else happen oh I just said

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yes I'm assuming you know that that's a

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very strong possibility

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um but everything I don't know

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I don't know and it's hard

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yeah man I I I'm with you I believe he

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worked at a facility out there and I

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believe a lot of the things he claims he

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firmly believes that he saw and he heard

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um now whether he was being played is an

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entire different story and I know

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there's been a lot of talk about that

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too

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yeah yeah he's an enigma for sure you

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know there's a definition of enigma

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kind of like Bob lazar's picture I think

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is is right there that's and that's the

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other interesting thing so let's let's

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uh stay right here for a second about

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what you've learned

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um have you seen your show was called

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Somewhere in the skies have you had your

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own sighting

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yes I have yeah I was let's start there

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let's start there uh have you had more

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than one

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you know I've seen like most people

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lights in the sky that I couldn't

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readily explain and you know could have

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been a satellite probably

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um but the the event that truly changed

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me and and kind of got me into the field

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my origin story

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um was much more than that and uh it was

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what set me on this path and um yeah I

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mean what happened yeah sure

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um 95 was the year

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um I was 12 years old at the time so I'm

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aging myself for your audience right now

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and uh I was listening to Green Day on

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my uh portable CD player that really

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brings it yeah

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that was a dookie summer it was nice CD

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man uh it was great man yeah on repeat I

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just I just kept listening to uh Basket

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Case was I remember the exact song when

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this event happened it was basket case

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and I was um I was fishing uh I would go

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up to uh it was called the Fisherman's

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Wharf motel in central New York and I'd

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go up there every summer with my my mom

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my dad and my sister and I would just

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fish for hours and listen to music it

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was just that's what I like to do and um

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I remember one night during the summer

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I was reeling my line in and uh it was

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getting dark so I decided to go in for

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the night there was a Yankees game on so

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I was gonna go watch that with my dad

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um but when I was reeling my line in I

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saw something in what I assumed was in

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the water so I kind of looked down and

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realized there was not something in the

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water it was actually above me so I flip

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over on my back on this Dock and I

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looked up and that's when um you know I

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tell people my life changed I saw a

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perfect equilateral triangle formation

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uh you know white light on each point

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red light in the middle kind of that

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prototypical black triangle as people

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call it and I did not see like the

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machine or structure to this I just saw

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the perfect triangular formation I

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couldn't see stars behind it any of that

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so I assumed it was a craft

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um but it made no noise again just

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silent black triangle

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was it moving it was just stationary

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when I saw it I flip over I look up it's

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just there and I remember just getting

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up and yelling for my dad I didn't know

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what else to do I was terrified I I knew

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this wasn't an airplane because it made

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absolutely no noise I'd rip my

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headphones off at that point all I could

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hear was the water hitting the dock at

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that time and um just yelling Dad Dad

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come out here come out here so he

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thought I actually fell into the water

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so he comes bolting out of the motel and

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he actually saw this with me he saw this

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triangular UFO as I'd come to learn the

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term

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um above us and we just both watched as

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it went from stationary to floating over

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the St Lawrence River up there in

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central New York and disappeared on the

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other side of the river which was

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actually Canada on the other side so

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pretty amazing pretty much okay so uh

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what was his reaction yeah so we're 12.

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so yeah was he like in his 30s he was in

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his early 30s

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you know you think about it now he's

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your age now uh don't remind me he's

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like well he was a kid yeah he was a kid

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he was a kid so

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um uh what was his reaction right and I

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try to keep that in mind Jimmy I'm like

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you know I look at my dad now and uh I I

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try to put myself in his shoes at my age

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now like what would I do if my son and I

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were staring up at a UFO

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um it's probably a lot different for me

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since I'm a ufologist but um at that

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time like he had no frame of reference

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he wasn't into UFOs neither was I I was

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a baseball player like that's all I

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wanted to do is play baseball listen to

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Green Day but we both were just staring

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up at this thing and I remember

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distinctly looking up at my dad

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searching for an answer just looking at

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him like come on dude like tell me

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what's going on here and him having

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nothing to say

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he just stared up and was speechless and

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I just remember as the thing went over

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the water and disappeared

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um he kind of just

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stood there Shrugged his shoulders

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walked back into the motel and continued

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watching the Yankees the Yankees game uh

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what what does now now that uh you've

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got 25 28 years under your belt uh

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between that event and now and he

527
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certainly knows about your career right

528
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yeah what's his take on that that that

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1995 event at the uh at the dock yeah so

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I mean we didn't talk about it after

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that night I mean it was like it was

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like it never happened for him and I

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remember you know I had nightmares like

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literally that night and moving forward

535
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nightmares almost every night about the

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black triangle and uh eventually like a

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year later is when I started my UFO

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career

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um I was obsessed with UFOs at that

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point

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um I ride my bike to the library take

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00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,020
out books on UFOs and I conducted my

543
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:24,240
first interview with a UFO witness and

544
00:24:30,350 --> 00:24:28,200
age 13 uh with a Vietnam veteran of all

545
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,360
people who had a really dramatic

546
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:33,120
Foo Fighter citing over the Pacific

547
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:36,179
during wartime and um I just remember

548
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:37,620
being on the phone with them for three

549
00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:40,020
hours hearing about his military career

550
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,419
and this UFO event and uh he actually

551
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:45,120
died like a few months after that and

552
00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:46,980
had never told anyone else about the

553
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:48,299
event

554
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:51,539
um so I really I that meant a lot to me

555
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:54,059
again I was 13 like I didn't really know

556
00:24:57,950 --> 00:24:56,520
what to do with that story but I held on

557
00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:57,960
to it for years and years and years

558
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,419
until eventually you know I collected

559
00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:03,120
enough of these to become an actual UFO

560
00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:04,679
researcher

561
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:06,539
um and like you said as time has gone on

562
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:09,960
I've really made uh a name for myself in

563
00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:13,080
the field and and put in the legwork to

564
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:16,980
earn that and um my father supports the

565
00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:19,980
the hell out of me and and I feel very

566
00:25:26,510 --> 00:25:22,260
fortunate for that and I remember

567
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:26,520
distinctly in 2017 when the article you

568
00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:28,440
know the bombshell article dropped in

569
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:32,340
ufology changed I went home to Syracuse

570
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:34,980
New York I went to a bar with my dad and

571
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:37,559
we just laid it all out man you know

572
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:40,440
five six seven eight beers in we just

573
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:43,020
talked UFOs my dad and I for the first

574
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,260
time ever for hours and we talked about

575
00:25:51,529 --> 00:25:49,140
that night he still has absolutely no

576
00:25:53,630 --> 00:25:51,539
idea what it was neither do I we'll

577
00:25:57,010 --> 00:25:53,640
pause we'll probably never know

578
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,020
um but everything man Roswell rendelsham

579
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,340
Calvin UFO

580
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:02,580
um the Tic Tac it was awesome it was

581
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:04,260
something I never had really done with

582
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,620
my dad and and ufology did that so

583
00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:09,840
that's crazy I think I think a lot of

584
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:12,360
families uh and friendships around the

585
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:15,900
world did that I think it really I went

586
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:18,000
through it we

587
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,220
um uh uh I went to a funeral and af

588
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:25,679
after the funeral this is 2007 it's like

589
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:28,440
a couple of weeks after uh the New York

590
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:31,020
Times I go I go to a funeral and so

591
00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:33,179
we're doing the whatever you call it

592
00:26:37,310 --> 00:26:35,400
afterwards the reception and we're at a

593
00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:37,320
restaurant I don't know what you call

594
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:39,059
that on funeral there's a word for it

595
00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:42,120
anyways so we're at this restaurant

596
00:26:47,289 --> 00:26:44,820
and a bunch of family members and and

597
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:47,299
some people that I didn't know but uh

598
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:50,460
like a table of ten

599
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:53,220
and uh you know everybody kind of knows

600
00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:55,740
what I'm what I do but we never talk

601
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,380
UFOs man

602
00:27:05,890 --> 00:27:01,919
I the conversation that started at this

603
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:05,900
table at the funeral I was blown away

604
00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:10,200
and my take is everybody thinks about

605
00:27:16,029 --> 00:27:12,600
this stuff they just never had anybody

606
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:16,039
to talk to about it right exactly

607
00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:19,080
I would just I sat back I'd let that I

608
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:21,059
didn't even I don't even think I got any

609
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,320
words in I was listening to them discuss

610
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:27,419
this subject and it was it was pretty

611
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,640
amazing so yeah yeah I think it opened

612
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,440
up for for just about everyone because

613
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:32,960
you just keep it inside of yourself

614
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:35,880
everyone has a story Jimmy I'm I'm

615
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:38,279
convinced of that and that's kind of

616
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:41,460
again you know where my ufology really

617
00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:43,919
lay and that's in the stories that

618
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:45,960
people have to tell about this stuff I'm

619
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:49,020
kind of known as like the witness guy

620
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:51,659
the the experiencer guy like if you have

621
00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:55,380
a story no matter how out there it is uh

622
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:57,720
Ryan will hear it he'll at least hear

623
00:28:02,330 --> 00:27:59,640
you out it's not going to tell you what

624
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,340
you saw he's not going to debunk it he's

625
00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:05,039
going to be there as someone who listens

626
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:07,500
like again as a playwright that's my job

627
00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:11,039
to listen to people understand how

628
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:13,620
people talk what motivates them

629
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:15,659
um and that's kind of what I infused

630
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:17,700
into my ufology focusing on the

631
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:20,460
individual rather than the UFO or the

632
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:22,020
experience itself

633
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:23,880
um but how did that experience change

634
00:28:28,669 --> 00:28:26,700
you like you said I'm sure you know no

635
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,679
one was expecting to talk UFOs at a

636
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:30,720
funeral reception but I've had those

637
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:33,960
moments man where like you know I don't

638
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,059
know an ex-girlfriend from my past all

639
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:38,940
of a sudden is like is this real like I

640
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:40,200
saw something I want to tell you about

641
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,120
it or like a friend comes out of the

642
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,159
woodwork and is like hey I thought you

643
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:46,320
were weird when when we were back in

644
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:47,640
middle school when you were talking

645
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:50,460
about UFOs but now it's this is real man

646
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:52,380
like I I think I might have seen

647
00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:53,940
something can I tell you about it and

648
00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:56,340
it's it's awesome man we've been

649
00:29:01,730 --> 00:28:59,460
Vindicated it happened to me all day

650
00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:01,740
every day yeah right I've got a lot of

651
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:04,919
friends uh the the knew me from the past

652
00:29:09,549 --> 00:29:06,900
were all friends on on Facebook and

653
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:09,559
Twitter and stuff and they find my email

654
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:12,960
uh that I never

655
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:16,380
for 50 years talked about UFOs now

656
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,020
they've all got a story they're all

657
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:21,360
texting me they're pm'ing me their

658
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:23,940
private matter this they're nothing it's

659
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:27,120
uh it's hilarious it's like what you

660
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,399
know where's this coming from my

661
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:31,440
roommate

662
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:33,179
um uh right after high school his name's

663
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:35,159
Bruce Pfeiffer he's probably listening

664
00:29:41,289 --> 00:29:38,580
right now Bruce and I go way back right

665
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:41,299
really close friends so this show starts

666
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:45,539
and uh and or it's Coast to Coast or

667
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:47,880
something he calls me after listening to

668
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,700
me calls me on my phone he goes hey man

669
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,799
um did I ever tell you the story about

670
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:55,679
the UFO that landed in our backyard in

671
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:58,320
Indianapolis when I was a kid you know

672
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,059
and I watched it from my bunk bed I said

673
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:03,120
what and he tells me this whole family

674
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:06,960
I'm like I've known you for 50 years

675
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:10,080
and you're coming at me now with this

676
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:13,460
and and he said you know we all saw it

677
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:17,159
and and think now and this was in my

678
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:19,080
neighborhood

679
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,659
um uh where I grew up and just

680
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:24,059
incredible but it's because of this show

681
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,480
and the climate that now friends can

682
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,039
reach out to friends and and talk about

683
00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:31,740
this and I ended up bringing him on Fade

684
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,539
to Black and I had him tell the whole

685
00:30:37,730 --> 00:30:36,360
story wow full circle yeah and that

686
00:30:39,649 --> 00:30:37,740
never would have happened if it wasn't

687
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:39,659
for the New York Times think about it

688
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:42,059
yeah and you know say what you will

689
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,480
about what's happened post 2017. I know

690
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:47,760
it's you know it's turned a lot of UFO

691
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,380
researchers off

692
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:51,600
um but it's also invited a lot of new

693
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:54,179
researchers into the field people who

694
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:56,100
came just because they read that story

695
00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:58,740
or they saw the documentary about Bob

696
00:31:02,029 --> 00:31:00,299
Lazar or

697
00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:02,039
um you know again say what you will

698
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:04,860
about either of those topics post 2017

699
00:31:11,510 --> 00:31:08,580
ufology or Bob Lazar it brought a lot of

700
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,520
new voices into this conversation which

701
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:13,500
personally meant I think we desperately

702
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,740
needed for a long time like I was once

703
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:19,440
one of the youngest UFO researchers not

704
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:21,659
the case anymore yeah not by a long shot

705
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:24,120
and you're the old man in the room now I

706
00:31:30,169 --> 00:31:26,880
am and that's okay I think that's great

707
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:30,179
and it's exciting and invigorating and

708
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:31,799
um I think it's it's pretty cool what's

709
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:34,440
happened no matter again wherever you

710
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:35,820
follow she's heading with the government

711
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,380
and all that that's a whole other

712
00:31:41,870 --> 00:31:39,120
conversation

713
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,880
um but it's brought a lot of people uh

714
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:43,919
to the Forefront that have something to

715
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,740
say and have a story to tell and that's

716
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,960
that's what I continue to do with the

717
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,820
work that I do is give them a platform

718
00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:53,220
to do that

719
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,840
um uh in a minute we're gonna

720
00:32:03,649 --> 00:31:59,640
the new book is out right it's called

721
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:03,659
stories from somewhere in the skies and

722
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,659
um it sounds like I'm actually I'm gonna

723
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:08,159
stay where we are in the conversation

724
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:12,200
right now but it sounds like you know

725
00:32:17,930 --> 00:32:16,020
the it's an easy book to write where you

726
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:17,940
can go back to the best of my podcast

727
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:20,220
and and go through and do that it

728
00:32:25,490 --> 00:32:22,020
probably wasn't that easy you've got a

729
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,500
lot of material uh to select from did

730
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:28,080
you have an idea of what you wanted to

731
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,260
put in the book or was it your personal

732
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:33,600
favorites I mean how do you select

733
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:35,940
because you've done so many shows yeah

734
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:37,740
so I

735
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:40,440
I run a series called witness accounts

736
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:42,120
again where you just can call in and

737
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,179
tell your UFO experience and um I I

738
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:47,279
wasn't sure how it would go over when I

739
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:49,140
first started the podcast

740
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:51,240
um but we're almost up to 30 volumes now

741
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,700
of witness accounts and in each episode

742
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:54,960
there's like

743
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:59,159
five six eight stories of people who

744
00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:00,600
literally just call in and tell their

745
00:33:05,510 --> 00:33:03,419
story you know um uninterrupted I'm not

746
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:05,520
involved I don't interview them I don't

747
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,799
question them just in their own voice

748
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:10,020
tell the story and how it made them feel

749
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,539
and I think that really resonated with

750
00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,360
people in listeners and as that series

751
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:17,460
continued more and more people started

752
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,559
calling into the show and telling their

753
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:20,640
stories

754
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:24,240
um so I was up to about 30 of these and

755
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:26,940
I'm like there's something here like

756
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:29,580
like there's I I feel like there's

757
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:32,580
there's stories that need to be heard

758
00:33:36,649 --> 00:33:35,399
further than just in the podcast and

759
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,659
that's when I reached out to my

760
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:38,880
Publishers uh Beyond The Fray publishing

761
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:41,159
and said hey I've got an idea for a new

762
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,539
book

763
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,820
um I I think it it could really resonate

764
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:46,080
with people let me know what you think

765
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:48,299
and I said it's just stories for my

766
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:50,460
podcast and they're like yup do it like

767
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:52,500
we're all in and I'm like okay cool and

768
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:54,779
like you said I thought it'd be easy you

769
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:56,640
know know just take the transcriptions

770
00:34:02,269 --> 00:33:59,580
from the podcast find some cool stories

771
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:02,279
and put it in but I mean hundreds of

772
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:04,980
stories and I had to whittle it down to

773
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:08,220
I think there's exactly 50 in this new

774
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:09,000
book

775
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,879
um and it's like trying to again choose

776
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:13,679
your favorite child I I know that's a

777
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:16,740
cliche but it's true and um it was hard

778
00:34:22,010 --> 00:34:19,619
it was really hard and then to try to

779
00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:22,020
structure it into a book was even harder

780
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,520
well sure and what about uh when you

781
00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:29,040
when you hear so many different uh

782
00:34:32,889 --> 00:34:30,379
experiences

783
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:32,899
did you see a trend

784
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:37,560
versus your own personal experiences and

785
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:40,260
and what you think uh the phenomena may

786
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:43,919
be you know nuts and bolts craft to uh

787
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:46,440
interdimensional plasma wormholes you

788
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:49,740
know I mean we've got uh the full length

789
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:52,379
and breadth of of what things may be

790
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:55,260
were you seeing that in the experiences

791
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:58,560
and and and also uh what you've learned

792
00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:00,900
there are Trends absolutely you know

793
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:02,580
we're we're human we we look for

794
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:06,300
patterns and um when when looking at the

795
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:08,520
stories and trying to choose them yeah I

796
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:11,400
mean I'd find similar craft or um even

797
00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:13,560
locations where a lot of these things

798
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,940
happened

799
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:17,520
um but for me I really with the book I

800
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:19,020
wanted to actually highlight the

801
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:21,540
opposite of that I wanted to show kind

802
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:24,780
of the um the vast array of phenomena

803
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:27,540
occurring in our skies so I didn't want

804
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:30,780
to try to find you know

805
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,480
um that one single source of UFOs

806
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:35,640
because I know it's not there you know

807
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:37,800
it's not there it's UFOs are a million

808
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,619
different things so when in writing the

809
00:35:45,230 --> 00:35:42,960
book I think maybe I first set out to

810
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,240
find those patterns but by the end I

811
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:48,240
realized that's not what this is about

812
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:50,579
um whatever these phenomena are or

813
00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:53,099
aren't they're dramatically affecting

814
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,859
these individuals in many many different

815
00:36:00,890 --> 00:35:58,500
ways in changing them and that's really

816
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,900
what it boiled down to for me so I

817
00:36:05,650 --> 00:36:03,000
didn't really set out to find a pattern

818
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:05,660
with the book I I really wanted to show

819
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:10,020
how weird this stuff is I mean this book

820
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:13,140
has some crazy stories Jimmy not just

821
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:16,920
like your typical what I saw a triangle

822
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:19,140
um or or even a saucer

823
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,240
um there's some stories in this book

824
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,560
that

825
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,680
I I for lack of a better term are sound

826
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,180
crazy

827
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:29,520
um but that actually speaks to me more

828
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:31,980
than just hearing the same prototypical

829
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:34,980
thing over and over again I tend to lean

830
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,119
more into the weirder stories and uh I

831
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:41,160
guess dare I say the word believe these

832
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:43,980
people even more because of how strange

833
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,040
well in certain aspects are but but Ryan

834
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:49,920
that's that not only is that okay that's

835
00:36:57,410 --> 00:36:53,880
the reality of the situation one of the

836
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:57,420
things that bothers me especially

837
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:01,260
with a skeptic and some parts of social

838
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,140
media UFO investigation I'll leave that

839
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:06,240
uh to your imagination

840
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,000
um when they say and everybody sees

841
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:10,980
something different you know that's

842
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,339
probably everybody said well yeah boy we

843
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,079
want everything to be exactly the same

844
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:19,440
that wouldn't make any sense and then I

845
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,240
think we have a an easier explanation if

846
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:26,160
everything was exactly the same because

847
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:28,920
there's no way that it can be and the

848
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,380
Tic Tac when it came out the

849
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:34,200
descriptions of it from David fravor and

850
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:35,400
others

851
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:38,339
um uh you know just just everybody that

852
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,920
came forward about this they describe

853
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:42,960
something that was never really out

854
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:45,780
there in ufology also before it was like

855
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:48,359
a singular and here it is something

856
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,820
completely different and that is like

857
00:37:55,930 --> 00:37:53,280
welcome to the world of ufology this is

858
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:55,940
what we have here it's got to be

859
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:58,740
millions of civilizations interested in

860
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:02,220
planet Earth not one yeah you know and

861
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,200
leave leave those patterns Jimmy

862
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:06,599
honestly in my opinion leave those to

863
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:09,240
Arrow like leave those to the people who

864
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:11,760
are trying to find patterns and

865
00:38:17,569 --> 00:38:14,520
repeatability and trying to resolve

866
00:38:20,810 --> 00:38:17,579
these UFOs I'm not out to resolve these

867
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:20,820
I'm here to give some sort of closure uh

868
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:22,740
to these individuals who've had

869
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:25,320
experiences and um you mentioned another

870
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,020
thing and that's kind of perception of

871
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:30,720
these events and interpretation

872
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,280
um you know one of my heroes is Jacques

873
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:34,800
valet who looked heavily into that how

874
00:38:41,390 --> 00:38:37,320
perception and interpretation play a

875
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:41,400
huge part in this field and how uh you

876
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:42,660
know different people see things

877
00:38:47,230 --> 00:38:45,000
completely differently again stories in

878
00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:47,240
this book and in my my previous book

879
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:50,040
showed that how a mother and a daughter

880
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:53,220
can stare up at the same UFO and

881
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:57,180
describe it completely different

882
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,420
um crazy stories like that of seemingly

883
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,400
looking at the same thing but but

884
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:04,980
interpreting interpreting it completely

885
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:08,339
differently it's it's very interesting

886
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:10,440
well Jacques

887
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:13,859
um for years going back to the 70s

888
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,619
had uh well he had the nuts and bolts

889
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,200
things too as well I mean he was around

890
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:22,200
for Socorro and and and some other

891
00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:24,540
events and and including uh Brazil and

892
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,579
and Argentina and stuff where physical

893
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,560
craft came down and landed trace

894
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:31,079
evidence there there was that but he

895
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,040
also uh for almost 50 years talked about

896
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:37,560
another another phenomenon you know

897
00:39:42,770 --> 00:39:39,540
another way to approach this another way

898
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:42,780
to look at it and as loud as he screamed

899
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:44,280
about this and wrote about this book

900
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,740
after book it didn't really catch on in

901
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:48,540
ufology

902
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:51,540
um it it today we're all like Jacques

903
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,780
was right but back then I think it was a

904
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,700
bit too much for our level of

905
00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:59,040
understanding to kind of accept

906
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,260
something interdimensional or something

907
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,780
you know caused from Consciousness or

908
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,760
entanglement or maybe it's even quantum

909
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:07,680
physics and something you know very

910
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:09,060
small

911
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,900
um and and Jacques jock knew things and

912
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:14,579
he looked at it from a different set of

913
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:16,740
eyes but it took a long time for that to

914
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:19,619
catch on didn't it it did you know and I

915
00:40:25,329 --> 00:40:22,380
have people to thank like him for kind

916
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:25,339
of uh stepping on those landmines before

917
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,040
people like uh me or or other

918
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:31,380
individuals who do work similar to mine

919
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,060
I can't pretend that like I'm the first

920
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:36,240
to cover the human side of UFOs by any

921
00:40:41,450 --> 00:40:39,720
stretch of the imagination but um you

922
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:41,460
know you've got someone like uh Diana

923
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:44,099
Walsh pasoka actually who wrote the

924
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,920
forward to my book she actually compared

925
00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:49,680
and I will have to respectfully disagree

926
00:40:53,450 --> 00:40:51,300
with her she actually compared my work

927
00:40:56,569 --> 00:40:53,460
to Jacques valet and that was like the

928
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:56,579
biggest compliment I could have ever

929
00:41:02,450 --> 00:40:59,579
um um received and and I felt very

930
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,460
humbled by that but I do kind of work in

931
00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:04,800
the shadow of people like that who want

932
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,540
to look at the human side of this the

933
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:09,839
cultural aspects the sociological uh

934
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,780
aspects to a lot of this and um that's

935
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,420
kind of where I'm at man again like I

936
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,579
think when ufology first started back

937
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:20,280
whatever the modern era let's say 50s

938
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:21,960
60s 70s

939
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:22,680
um

940
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:25,619
it was very nuts and bolts we wanted to

941
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:27,780
resolve the issue the the US government

942
00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:32,520
wanted to solve the UFO mystery uh where

943
00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:34,920
now I feel we're kind of seeing that

944
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,599
with everything going on in the

945
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:39,200
government but there's also this other

946
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:43,320
side to this entire conversation of um

947
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:46,740
it being unsolvable and that we're never

948
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:50,160
truly going to know what UFOs are and um

949
00:41:55,849 --> 00:41:53,640
that's okay that's okay we can strive

950
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,859
for disclosure in one way but the

951
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,599
mystery is going to stay alive in some

952
00:42:02,930 --> 00:41:59,640
respects and that's kind of uh the

953
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:02,940
ufology I choose to pursue now what do

954
00:42:07,069 --> 00:42:05,400
you you mentioned Arrow

955
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:07,079
um I don't want to spend a whole lot of

956
00:42:10,130 --> 00:42:08,400
time on this because I want to get back

957
00:42:12,109 --> 00:42:10,140
to the book but

958
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:12,119
I don't think Arrow has anything to do

959
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:16,260
or any desire uh for the ET aspect of

960
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:17,880
this

961
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,240
um the somebody else's problem statement

962
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:23,280
you know a few times from Kirkpatrick

963
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,040
kind of spelled that out if they're not

964
00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:27,119
going to figure it out they're going to

965
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,859
make it somebody else's problem or to

966
00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:30,480
resolve it to make it somebody else's

967
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:33,240
problem that's Arrow's thing I don't

968
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:37,200
think Sean really uh Kirkpatrick I

969
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,780
should call him Sean like I know him

970
00:42:43,810 --> 00:42:42,720
um Kirkpatrick I I think the UFO

971
00:42:48,349 --> 00:42:43,820
community

972
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:48,359
is has got the wrong view of Arrow and

973
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:50,460
and what they mean to the UFO Community

974
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:53,220
I don't think they're connected

975
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:56,880
they're not in my personal opinion uh at

976
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,319
all and that's okay again arrow is it is

977
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:03,900
no matter if we like it or not is a part

978
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:06,540
of ufology they are looking at aerial

979
00:43:11,210 --> 00:43:07,800
phenomena

980
00:43:14,089 --> 00:43:11,220
um however like you said nothing in that

981
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:14,099
Senate UAP hearing had anything to do

982
00:43:19,690 --> 00:43:17,940
with the ET hypothesis I don't I and I

983
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,700
don't know why people would have

984
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,480
expected that

985
00:43:26,510 --> 00:43:24,240
um you know we we have individuals in

986
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:26,520
the field who claim that Kirkpatrick

987
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:29,520
knows about Crash retrieval programs and

988
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,040
and this and that and if he doesn't

989
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,280
bring it up now like we're not giving

990
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:37,440
him another chance strike one two three

991
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,060
in a row man

992
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:42,180
um and he didn't and he said we have

993
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:44,339
found no evidence whatsoever that any of

994
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:48,180
this is zero zero and and is there were

995
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:50,940
now I'm not I'm not going out on a limb

996
00:43:56,809 --> 00:43:54,300
here okay there were a lot of people the

997
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:56,819
that were expecting him to roll out a

998
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,960
great E.T on a gurney right just go here

999
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:01,920
he is

1000
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,260
you know and then I mean it was those

1001
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,000
kinds of expectations that you're

1002
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:08,400
referring to the expectations were

1003
00:44:11,809 --> 00:44:09,540
really high

1004
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:11,819
right and we should know that by now

1005
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,560
Jimmy that anytime the government gets

1006
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,540
involved it's not going to be that

1007
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:18,000
moment of disclosure we all want maybe I

1008
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:20,700
I can't you know brush it off 100 ever

1009
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,720
but

1010
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:24,240
let's give him some credit he said hey

1011
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,020
if we do find any possibility of E.T

1012
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:31,260
that's when we move it over to NASA you

1013
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,240
know kind of the the front and face of

1014
00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:35,339
something like that and we deal with

1015
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:37,319
them and tell them you know this is what

1016
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,020
we found uh like you said now it's

1017
00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:42,480
someone else's problem Arrow's not there

1018
00:44:47,809 --> 00:44:45,180
to tell us UFOs are extraterrestrial

1019
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:47,819
interdimensional Time Travelers they're

1020
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,520
there to serve the government they're

1021
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:52,440
there to resolve National Security

1022
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,560
issues like the Spy balloons that

1023
00:44:58,930 --> 00:44:57,599
occurred in the U.S recently stuff like

1024
00:45:03,050 --> 00:44:58,940
that

1025
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:03,060
ufology

1026
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:05,400
so is Project Blue Book so was the first

1027
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:08,220
congressional hearing so was all of that

1028
00:45:12,349 --> 00:45:10,200
stuff um atip

1029
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,359
we can't escape it it's a part of

1030
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:14,460
ethology no matter what but at the same

1031
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:17,420
time there's a whole other

1032
00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:20,640
huge thing happening here and that's

1033
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:23,460
things that can't be identified that

1034
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:26,940
can't be resolved and I find that

1035
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,220
exciting that there's still no matter

1036
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:31,920
what Arrow finds or doesn't find there's

1037
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,220
still a mystery to pursue and things far

1038
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,440
greater and far more mysterious than

1039
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:39,839
just a spy balloon out there yeah yeah

1040
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:42,119
I'm convinced of that you're right about

1041
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,579
that and and then we have a whole other

1042
00:45:48,670 --> 00:45:46,920
thing that doesn't involve Arrow at all

1043
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:48,680
which I expect

1044
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:51,960
uh to Bubble to the surface in a very

1045
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:53,819
radical way very soon that's crash

1046
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:56,280
retrievals you know because this is

1047
00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:58,440
that's not Arrow this is already on the

1048
00:46:01,490 --> 00:46:00,359
ground right this has nothing to do with

1049
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:01,500
arrow

1050
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,220
um but the chatter about this

1051
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:07,560
um having Wilson Davis mention in the in

1052
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:09,960
the first UFO hearing

1053
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,319
um uh to have Eric Davis with that quote

1054
00:46:17,690 --> 00:46:15,839
that was attributed to him in the in the

1055
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:17,700
New York Times

1056
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:22,020
um and this has been brought up uh in

1057
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:24,359
Washington D.C independent of our own

1058
00:46:30,050 --> 00:46:27,780
Community a few times now where I think

1059
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:30,060
that the focus is going to definitely

1060
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:34,980
definitely be is there a program an sap

1061
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,420
out there is it has there been a crash a

1062
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:42,240
craft a one that was traded like a used

1063
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:45,960
car I don't know uh how we would have

1064
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:49,980
acquired one but is that the case and I

1065
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,160
expect I expect a hearing on this um

1066
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:55,560
there's just too much chatter I don't

1067
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,420
know if it's going to go anywhere but

1068
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:59,280
that's something completely independent

1069
00:47:05,950 --> 00:47:01,500
of Arrow do you think the government is

1070
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,829
possibly I I don't like to work in

1071
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:11,700
absolutes when it comes to any of this

1072
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:14,520
stuff obviously I've made those mistakes

1073
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,900
in the past and um and I you know we're

1074
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,640
all proven wrong at some point in this

1075
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,960
field

1076
00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:23,760
um it's kind of like Bob Lazar like yeah

1077
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,339
I want to believe there's crash programs

1078
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:28,560
and there probably are you know you look

1079
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:31,380
at something like um uh project Moon

1080
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:34,680
dust in the past where you know this is

1081
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,859
a program that was there to retrieve

1082
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:40,319
space debris you know stuff that could

1083
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:42,300
have been Russian stuff that could have

1084
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,380
been um you know an adversarial spy

1085
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,480
balloon or anything like that

1086
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,400
um satellites yeah

1087
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:52,319
um but they also

1088
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:54,780
possibly retrieve things that weren't

1089
00:48:01,130 --> 00:47:58,319
those and were still unexplainable so I

1090
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,140
mean there are examples in the past that

1091
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:03,780
these things are real have been real

1092
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:06,599
um and I do believe and I know you and I

1093
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:09,240
speak to the same people who off the

1094
00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:12,119
Record say I know for a fact there are a

1095
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:14,099
crash retrieval programs

1096
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,560
um and at that point it's either you

1097
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:18,720
take their word for it or you just wait

1098
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:21,839
and see and I there are individuals in

1099
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:25,200
the field who say in the next six months

1100
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,280
we will hear directly from individuals

1101
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,720
who are blowing the whistle on this

1102
00:48:35,450 --> 00:48:32,880
crash retrieval thing in fact some of

1103
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:35,460
them have possibly spoken to Arrow about

1104
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:36,420
this

1105
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:40,920
let's wait and see

1106
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:44,700
um if that's not the case then uh we

1107
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:48,480
just move on with the topic as usual and

1108
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:51,540
continue looking at it but um a lot of

1109
00:48:56,089 --> 00:48:53,700
people are making claims right now well

1110
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,099
certainly and and you with your

1111
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:58,619
experience with your father and I've

1112
00:49:02,030 --> 00:49:00,180
never seen a black triangle I

1113
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:02,040
photographed one but I did at the time

1114
00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:04,140
when I photographed it it was just a

1115
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,819
black dot in the sky I didn't see that

1116
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:07,740
it was a black triangle until the film

1117
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:11,700
yes I said it film was developed it was

1118
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,800
uh that long ago

1119
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:15,420
um but I haven't seen my own black

1120
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:19,800
triangle you have and are you do you

1121
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:22,740
connect that dot to backwards

1122
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:25,319
engineering uh you know from a crash

1123
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:29,880
retrieval craft because if that is ours

1124
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:31,980
that you know what you witnessed which

1125
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:34,140
there's a strong possibility that it was

1126
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,180
well then where does that technology

1127
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:39,119
come from and quite possibly would come

1128
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:40,980
from you know something that wasn't

1129
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:44,160
built on this planet right yeah

1130
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:47,579
um I actually had a conversation I was

1131
00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:51,900
in um London and uh Lou Elizondo

1132
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:53,540
happened to be be there at the same time

1133
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:56,700
and we finally met face to face for the

1134
00:50:00,770 --> 00:49:58,260
first time

1135
00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:00,780
um you know it was cool meeting this guy

1136
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:04,140
who you know was all over the news and

1137
00:50:09,230 --> 00:50:06,359
talking about having worked on a Secret

1138
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,240
Pentagon UFO program blah blah blah we

1139
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:11,700
know that history by now

1140
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,460
um but I got to walk around you know

1141
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,079
London with this dude for over an hour

1142
00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:18,599
and I think maybe like 10 minutes of it

1143
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:21,000
was talking about UFOs the rest of it

1144
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:22,440
was just talking about life getting to

1145
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,720
know one another it was really rewarding

1146
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:27,599
experience um however when we did talk

1147
00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:30,660
about UFOs I told him about what I'd

1148
00:50:37,010 --> 00:50:33,420
seen the the black triangle and um

1149
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:37,020
I straight up asked him I'm like

1150
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:40,020
in your experience you know we've got

1151
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:42,180
the Tic Tacs we've got the saucers we've

1152
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,300
got the triangles uh what do you think

1153
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:48,240
these different things represent and

1154
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:51,480
he's told me he said the triangles are

1155
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:54,240
ours and he's he's gone on record and

1156
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:55,500
said this to other people I can't

1157
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:57,540
pretend like this you know a little

1158
00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:00,599
thing between Elizondo and I um the

1159
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:02,940
triangles are ours uh but the technology

1160
00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:04,260
isn't

1161
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:07,740
and I kind of stopped me in my tracks I

1162
00:51:11,329 --> 00:51:09,240
I never really thought of it that way

1163
00:51:13,569 --> 00:51:11,339
that yeah this probably is some sort of

1164
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:13,579
black budget project using technology

1165
00:51:19,069 --> 00:51:16,380
either we don't

1166
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:19,079
um we did not develop or we don't fully

1167
00:51:24,109 --> 00:51:20,940
understand yet

1168
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,119
um and yeah I mean what craft hover

1169
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:27,599
stationary takes off with no noise and

1170
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:29,220
you know disappears out of sight within

1171
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,859
seconds I can't tell you maybe it's out

1172
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,839
there but I I don't personally know of

1173
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,800
it

1174
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,900
um so yeah I found that that answer he

1175
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:38,160
gave me

1176
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:40,680
um thought provoking to say the least

1177
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,319
now what do you make of the chatter uh

1178
00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:45,359
right now

1179
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,420
um I have uh had some pretty dramatic

1180
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:50,400
interviews lately and even more dramatic

1181
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:54,660
phone calls and emails uh that are all

1182
00:52:02,270 --> 00:51:58,680
suggesting the same thing that we are uh

1183
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:02,280
months away from something some crazy

1184
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,760
ass [\h__\h] right and uh what what do you

1185
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:07,500
make of this chatter

1186
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:09,540
um it's never really been quite like

1187
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:12,420
this and I believe that you know and I

1188
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,579
don't use bad language on this show but

1189
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,559
I think it's that that that's where we

1190
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:18,420
are right now

1191
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:20,220
um where there's smoke there's fire what

1192
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:23,160
do you what do you think is going on

1193
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:27,180
I think more and more people in the

1194
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:29,339
intelligence Community or or even the

1195
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,339
military are feeling more empowered to

1196
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:34,800
finally talk about these things and I

1197
00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:36,599
think this whistleblower legislation

1198
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,660
that was put through in law recently uh

1199
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:41,760
has a lot to do with that and there's a

1200
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:43,619
lot of different people bipartisan to

1201
00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:45,900
thank for something like that

1202
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,660
um and I think this is a time where

1203
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,059
we're going to start getting these

1204
00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:53,280
people on the record talking about

1205
00:52:58,910 --> 00:52:55,619
programs they've worked on in the past

1206
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:58,920
and we've been waiting for this for a

1207
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:00,900
long time and

1208
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:02,940
um I don't know where I personally land

1209
00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:04,859
on any of it

1210
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,420
um whether I believe it or not but

1211
00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:08,460
that's kind of why I I still go with

1212
00:53:12,770 --> 00:53:10,619
let's wait and see

1213
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,780
um whatever this chatter is whatever you

1214
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:15,480
and I have heard and others have heard

1215
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:16,020
um

1216
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:18,180
there's something there

1217
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:20,040
there's absolutely something there I

1218
00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:21,359
don't think these people would put their

1219
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:23,940
reputations on the line to make such a

1220
00:53:28,670 --> 00:53:26,460
big claim and give a timetable like

1221
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:28,680
they're literally giving time to yeah

1222
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:31,260
yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah so there you

1223
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:34,260
go man if that time comes and goes and

1224
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:36,900
and we're no closer to any of this stiff

1225
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,460
coming out

1226
00:53:43,089 --> 00:53:41,040
um then it's up to you to decide whether

1227
00:53:47,089 --> 00:53:43,099
you will ever believe that person again

1228
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:47,099
or if uh this is just yet another

1229
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,280
hiccup in ufology that we've gotten a

1230
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:52,319
million different times before I I I

1231
00:54:02,329 --> 00:53:59,990
oh man how many times do you get that

1232
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:02,339
question I get it 10 times a day yeah

1233
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:04,920
you know I get I just got back from

1234
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:08,000
Vegas and I had some alone time there

1235
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:13,500
and uh you know complete strangers right

1236
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:15,900
um that I hadn't met before that you

1237
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:18,300
know know a little bit about me and

1238
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:19,260
stuff

1239
00:54:25,329 --> 00:54:22,500
um so dude can the world handle it I'm

1240
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:29,750
uh and uh I get asked all the time but

1241
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:31,740
I want to hear from you what do you

1242
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:33,240
think you come from a different

1243
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:36,839
generation and that's why I enjoy uh not

1244
00:54:42,109 --> 00:54:40,200
only what you do but your outlook and

1245
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:42,119
your take on things it's a little bit

1246
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:44,819
different uh them I'm pretty cool for an

1247
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:48,540
old guy pretty cool yes you are but but

1248
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:51,720
I'm I'm not a cranky older I'm not that

1249
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,480
dude yet I'm getting close but you you

1250
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:56,579
have a different take so what's your you

1251
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:58,980
know what are your friends saying do you

1252
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:01,319
do you think that the world is ready

1253
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,500
yeah I do and and maybe it is a

1254
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:06,720
generational thing um but I grew up in

1255
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,180
the age uh where yeah like it actually I

1256
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:14,400
grew right on the cusp of when it was

1257
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:16,260
like accepted that life definitely

1258
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:18,900
exists somewhere else out there there's

1259
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:22,140
too many people saying yes you know

1260
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:23,460
credible scientists saying

1261
00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:25,140
mathematically it's impossible for it

1262
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:27,960
not to exist so I think you know the

1263
00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:30,300
younger Generations have that luxury

1264
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,280
being like yeah totally it's a given

1265
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,800
like you know things have probably come

1266
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,260
here yeah for sure

1267
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,319
um so I do think the world's ready I

1268
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:41,760
mean look at the stuff we've been

1269
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:45,359
through in the past few years alone and

1270
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,940
we're resilient we we've we've made it

1271
00:55:51,770 --> 00:55:49,040
through

1272
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:51,780
catastrophes that we haven't seen in a

1273
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:54,540
very long time in good ways and bad yeah

1274
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,700
yeah you're right about that check out

1275
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,619
this comment I find this very

1276
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:00,960
interesting uh this is uh from Susan she

1277
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:03,960
says rip off the Band-Aid right and and

1278
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:07,380
and and that's my generation would say

1279
00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:10,260
that your generation probably really

1280
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:12,540
doesn't care that much because you've

1281
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:16,980
grown up with it around you more uh for

1282
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,319
us it's like okay rip off the Band-Aid

1283
00:56:24,290 --> 00:56:21,660
take what comes it's gonna sting for a

1284
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:24,300
minute but I don't think your generation

1285
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:27,480
is I don't think it's gonna sting at all

1286
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,300
I don't think so again I I feel like you

1287
00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:32,400
know we

1288
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:34,920
we don't give enough credit I think to

1289
00:56:39,290 --> 00:56:36,780
the younger generation sometimes we look

1290
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:39,300
at them as like these zombies on their

1291
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,720
phones 24 7 and and doing nothing else

1292
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:44,760
but going on Instagram blah blah blah

1293
00:56:49,849 --> 00:56:46,680
blah kids these days

1294
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,859
um but at the same time I think growing

1295
00:56:52,370 --> 00:56:51,599
up in the age of the internet

1296
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:52,380
um

1297
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,500
it obviously has its pros and cons I

1298
00:56:59,089 --> 00:56:56,880
think people in the younger generation

1299
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:59,099
do have really good critical thinking

1300
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:01,319
skills and when it comes to this topic

1301
00:57:07,569 --> 00:57:04,800
you need critical thinking and I think a

1302
00:57:11,870 --> 00:57:07,579
lot of the younger people can really see

1303
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,880
you know what's BS and what isn't I I

1304
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:14,160
honestly do believe that

1305
00:57:18,049 --> 00:57:16,200
um so I think yeah the younger

1306
00:57:19,790 --> 00:57:18,059
Generations they're ready they're

1307
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:19,800
willing to accept that this is a

1308
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:22,500
possibility and um where it goes from

1309
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:24,420
there I can't tell you but I can only

1310
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:27,839
imagine where ufology will be you know

1311
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,300
in the next couple of years this is from

1312
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:33,599
Dennis he runs uh my Twitter right he

1313
00:57:37,970 --> 00:57:35,700
says uh Dennis you know I love you

1314
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:37,980
brother you know I love you I only read

1315
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:40,619
the first line he says Ah no the world

1316
00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:42,540
is not ready look at America Russia

1317
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:44,220
Ukraine China et cetera you're not even

1318
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:46,020
open to talking with one another never

1319
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:49,319
mind in Alien presence true words have

1320
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,040
never been spoken right and that is I

1321
00:57:59,569 --> 00:57:55,920
think that we could handle the truth but

1322
00:58:03,049 --> 00:57:59,579
talking about it as friends and uniting

1323
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:03,059
the world no no that that part I don't

1324
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,180
think we're in you know that that Ronald

1325
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:09,359
Reagan mindset right right you know with

1326
00:58:12,910 --> 00:58:11,099
his famous quotes

1327
00:58:17,890 --> 00:58:12,920
um and thank you for that Dennis you're

1328
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:17,900
here and kind of squashed my mellow dude

1329
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:21,119
hey that I mean it's a good point I

1330
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:23,220
understand what he's saying you know I

1331
00:58:26,990 --> 00:58:25,380
have hope I always have hope I'm one of

1332
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:27,000
the most positive people in ufology

1333
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,640
whether I like it or not that's what

1334
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:31,920
people see me as um but I have my

1335
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:35,220
moments of cynicism and and whatnot

1336
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:37,380
um so I get it I totally understand that

1337
00:58:42,289 --> 00:58:39,660
we look at the world today we look at

1338
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:42,299
our you know our responses to the

1339
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:44,220
pandemic we look at what's going on in

1340
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:48,359
Russia and Ukraine and China and um of

1341
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:50,220
course there's moments where I'm like oh

1342
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:53,700
God you throw UFOs into all of that and

1343
00:59:00,890 --> 00:58:57,839
it's just a bad bad soup but at the same

1344
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,900
time I do Wonder Could It benefit us in

1345
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:02,160
many ways could you bring us together

1346
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:06,000
yeah well there's that okay in a second

1347
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,200
um Everybody we're gonna take a break

1348
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:09,599
when we come back we're gonna jump into

1349
00:59:14,089 --> 00:59:12,660
the book uh we're gonna go Knee Deep uh

1350
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:14,099
into that

1351
00:59:19,130 --> 00:59:16,260
um but on the flip side

1352
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:19,140
what a great time for disclosure

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00:59:23,630 --> 00:59:20,940
because of all the other stuff that's

1354
00:59:25,069 --> 00:59:23,640
going on and so you can bury it in these

1355
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:25,079
crazy headlines

1356
00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:28,200
absolutely I mean look at when all these

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00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:30,299
headlines really happen they happen on a

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00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:31,500
Friday

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00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:33,900
um after some huge political Scandal

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00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,960
drops or or you know or smack dab in the

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00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:39,180
middle of the pandemic or or this or

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00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:42,059
that so you do truly have to wonder the

1363
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:43,980
strategy behind doing something like

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00:59:46,609 --> 00:59:44,760
that

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00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:46,619
um I can't pretend to have answers but I

1366
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,460
find it curious to say the least Dennis

1367
00:59:55,490 --> 00:59:53,280
just posted he says I'm popular you know

1368
00:59:57,770 --> 00:59:55,500
you're such a you're such a happy guy

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01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:57,780
such a positive guy that you could say

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the world is ending with a smile

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01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:03,299
it's kind of true

1372
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:05,700
let's take a break here where can um

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01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:07,319
everybody get the book somewhere in the

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01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:10,200
skies.com absolutely yep it's on Amazon

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01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:13,079
paperback and ebook as well okay let's

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01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:14,700
take a quick break right here we'll be

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01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:16,920
right back

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01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:18,839
this is Jimmy Church of Fade to Black

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please visit all of our sponsors we're

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taking a quick break here all of the

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assuming church that's right life wave

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01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:32,700
x39 there it is man just work right here

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01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:34,440
on the back of my neck that's it nobody

1460
01:03:39,130 --> 01:03:36,660
can see it I'm not wearing it on my no

1461
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:39,140
no it's right on the back of my neck

1462
01:03:43,309 --> 01:03:41,579
it's absolutely incredible I'll put the

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01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,319
link up in the chats it's over and

1464
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:45,599
social media and on our website too as

1465
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:48,660
well but LifeWay somebody said uh Jimmy

1466
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:51,180
are you waging backwards uh because you

1467
01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:54,960
look you look younger than Ryan Sprague

1468
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,760
and I said you know yeah

1469
01:04:01,130 --> 01:03:58,799
I do

1470
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:01,140
man I got to keep up with the kids these

1471
01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:04,079
days yeah it's uh it's uh it's pretty

1472
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:05,819
cool I gotta do what I gotta do man at

1473
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:07,319
my age

1474
01:04:13,930 --> 01:04:09,720
yeah and look what happened to me in the

1475
01:04:16,970 --> 01:04:13,940
last 10 years of of of of of doing this

1476
01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:16,980
this field will age a quick man but I

1477
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:18,839
think we've both done a good job of

1478
01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:20,940
staying young at heart if anything else

1479
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:23,640
and yeah I I got my I got my Ryan

1480
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:26,880
Sprague uh Scruff on trying to look

1481
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:34,130
um you know what I I we're going to move

1482
01:04:37,450 --> 01:04:35,460
on we're going to get right to the book

1483
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:37,460
but I remember

1484
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:41,940
uh the video uh and Ryan's so good at

1485
01:04:45,890 --> 01:04:43,740
social media he likes to walk down the

1486
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,900
streets of New York he's got his phone

1487
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:48,000
out he's doing a live stream and he's

1488
01:04:52,010 --> 01:04:51,119
strutting down Fifth Avenue and he goes

1489
01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:52,020
okay

1490
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:55,559
I'm moving England I was like what what

1491
01:04:58,970 --> 01:04:57,780
what what did he just say I'm moving to

1492
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:58,980
the UK

1493
01:05:05,210 --> 01:05:01,740
um and and then you said something like

1494
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:05,220
next week right I was like where is this

1495
01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:08,160
coming from and I thought no we can't

1496
01:05:12,829 --> 01:05:10,380
lose we can't lose Ryan what's going on

1497
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:12,839
but yeah that was uh it was a funny

1498
01:05:17,030 --> 01:05:14,760
video I go back and I've watched it a

1499
01:05:19,370 --> 01:05:17,040
couple of times since uh but yeah

1500
01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:19,380
throughout the community into a tailspin

1501
01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:21,900
there for a second my friend yeah I was

1502
01:05:27,890 --> 01:05:24,299
just in as much shock as you were man it

1503
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:27,900
was very sudden and like I said uh even

1504
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:30,839
off air it life takes you in directions

1505
01:05:36,289 --> 01:05:34,079
you'd never expect and um I had a lot of

1506
01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:36,299
uh I had a lot of thinking to do when

1507
01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:38,040
that happened why do you always break

1508
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:40,140
news on the streets of New York do you

1509
01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:43,440
think it adds drama uh yeah you know

1510
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:45,480
yeah I've got like the Times Square ball

1511
01:05:50,930 --> 01:05:48,780
in the background come on what bigger

1512
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:50,940
platform could I have right right right

1513
01:05:54,349 --> 01:05:51,960
right

1514
01:05:55,309 --> 01:05:54,359
uh okay so the the book came out last

1515
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:55,319
week

1516
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:00,000
um and uh I am what I thought I would do

1517
01:06:06,170 --> 01:06:03,839
tonight if that's okay with you is

1518
01:06:10,010 --> 01:06:06,180
um I'm gonna pull out like you said

1519
01:06:12,349 --> 01:06:10,020
you've got 50 uh different uh e events

1520
01:06:14,329 --> 01:06:12,359
or experiences here

1521
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:14,339
um that are here

1522
01:06:19,789 --> 01:06:17,520
um I'm I'm gonna pull out

1523
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:19,799
um some stuff at random but I'm gonna

1524
01:06:24,970 --> 01:06:21,720
pull it out for the shock value of the

1525
01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:24,980
title of the story okay

1526
01:06:32,930 --> 01:06:30,420
because some of this I have no idea

1527
01:06:35,089 --> 01:06:32,940
um uh everybody I not that I want to

1528
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:35,099
hear I I've got

1529
01:06:40,130 --> 01:06:38,640
the bubbling black blob of Fife I mean

1530
01:06:41,210 --> 01:06:40,140
who doesn't want to hear that story but

1531
01:06:43,849 --> 01:06:41,220
anyway

1532
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,859
um uh there are

1533
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,559
um some uh some really cool things here

1534
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:48,480
and I have no idea what they could

1535
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:51,539
possibly be about now I'm not gonna go

1536
01:06:55,789 --> 01:06:53,339
in order

1537
01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:55,799
um I'm just gonna pull this out

1538
01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:57,720
um in in random

1539
01:07:01,130 --> 01:06:59,099
um one of them I mentioned to you

1540
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:01,140
earlier today so I kind of actually want

1541
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:03,660
to start there

1542
01:07:09,650 --> 01:07:06,960
there be dragons

1543
01:07:10,789 --> 01:07:09,660
okay so and you'll have to forgive me

1544
01:07:12,890 --> 01:07:10,799
Jimmy

1545
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:12,900
um this is my first interview since the

1546
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:15,780
book came out and um I love how you're

1547
01:07:19,069 --> 01:07:17,400
putting me on the hot seats so if I get

1548
01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:19,079
any of the facts wrong on these please

1549
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:21,180
forgive me I hope your audience is uh

1550
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,160
you'll get the book go get the book

1551
01:07:27,410 --> 01:07:25,200
everybody and then bust his chops there

1552
01:07:30,289 --> 01:07:27,420
we go right now nobody knows so you can

1553
01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:30,299
say whatever you want but there'll be

1554
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:32,940
dragons there be dragons

1555
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:36,420
um yeah so this was one and that

1556
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,240
happened to a gentleman named Brandon

1557
01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:41,760
um and this was back I want to get this

1558
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:42,599
right

1559
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:43,440
um

1560
01:07:49,930 --> 01:07:46,559
you know in times of time and date uh

1561
01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:49,940
2019 this event happened he was actually

1562
01:07:55,910 --> 01:07:53,460
in Virginia when this occurred and you

1563
01:07:58,190 --> 01:07:55,920
know kind of sets up like most UFO

1564
01:08:00,829 --> 01:07:58,200
sightings driving down the road see

1565
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:00,839
something stops and takes a look

1566
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:02,339
um but what was really interesting about

1567
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:05,400
this one was when he got out and looked

1568
01:08:11,210 --> 01:08:08,520
at this UFO it was literally a Tic Tac

1569
01:08:13,789 --> 01:08:11,220
it was white it was oval it looked

1570
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:13,799
exactly like how you know Dietrich and

1571
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,440
fravor have described the Tic Tac and it

1572
01:08:21,410 --> 01:08:18,960
made very similar movements you know it

1573
01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:21,420
was descending ascending very quickly

1574
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:23,900
almost as if it was jumping through

1575
01:08:27,769 --> 01:08:26,460
teleporting into different areas in the

1576
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:27,779
sky

1577
01:08:31,610 --> 01:08:29,040
um and what was really interesting about

1578
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:31,620
this one is he wasn't alone other people

1579
01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:33,719
were stopping their cars out there in

1580
01:08:38,030 --> 01:08:36,120
Virginia getting out and they're all

1581
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:38,040
watching this Tic Tac in the sky do

1582
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:41,699
these unbelievable Maneuvers and uh

1583
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,380
Brandon actually got video footage of

1584
01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:45,359
this that he shared with me and

1585
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,699
unfortunately like most videos you know

1586
01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:50,400
it does not do justice to what the story

1587
01:08:55,309 --> 01:08:53,040
actually is uh that's usually the case

1588
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,319
with a lot of this but I appreciated him

1589
01:08:59,450 --> 01:08:57,359
sending that to me to show proof that

1590
01:09:01,309 --> 01:08:59,460
something happened he saw something he

1591
01:09:03,769 --> 01:09:01,319
tried to record it

1592
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,779
um but again it really boils down to the

1593
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:05,759
story for me and this one was really

1594
01:09:13,010 --> 01:09:09,839
interesting and um the reason okay here

1595
01:09:15,410 --> 01:09:13,020
it comes okay your question okay

1596
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,420
the reason for the title is I'm sure you

1597
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:16,799
were gonna ask

1598
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:20,640
um is uh the way he kind of described it

1599
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:22,859
and I have a quote here pulled up he

1600
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:26,279
said it was crazy like if a dragon flew

1601
01:09:31,249 --> 01:09:28,500
over your head it just completely

1602
01:09:32,689 --> 01:09:31,259
changes your reality in that moment and

1603
01:09:34,370 --> 01:09:32,699
that's kind of where I pulled the titles

1604
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:34,380
from from a lot of these stories it

1605
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:37,679
wasn't so much what the UFO was it was

1606
01:09:42,769 --> 01:09:40,560
um these quotable things that these

1607
01:09:44,749 --> 01:09:42,779
individuals brought to me about how the

1608
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,759
experience made them feel or what it was

1609
01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:46,799
like and that's why I decided to call

1610
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,140
this one there be dragons because of

1611
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:51,600
just that seeing something that

1612
01:09:57,229 --> 01:09:54,360
shouldn't exist exists

1613
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,239
um what do you think of

1614
01:10:02,750 --> 01:09:59,760
um uh I want to talk uh go back to James

1615
01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:02,760
Fox for a second because one of the

1616
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,120
things that this community has always

1617
01:10:12,650 --> 01:10:09,360
had the benefit of is video eyewitness

1618
01:10:15,470 --> 01:10:12,660
video you know shaky blurry good bad

1619
01:10:17,209 --> 01:10:15,480
weather ever but we have that now we

1620
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:17,219
have cell phones all over the planet

1621
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,340
that's a really cool part of this in the

1622
01:10:26,270 --> 01:10:22,800
vargenia case there's always been

1623
01:10:29,149 --> 01:10:26,280
chatter about you know a film existing

1624
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:29,159
and something out there

1625
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:32,280
um if if that came forward uh with

1626
01:10:39,410 --> 01:10:35,360
something as big as of a film as as

1627
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:39,420
making contact has been for James Fox

1628
01:10:43,370 --> 01:10:40,159
um

1629
01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:43,380
do you think that that would do you

1630
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,580
think like

1631
01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:47,040
the possibility of something surfacing

1632
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:50,760
and would it move the needle

1633
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:55,080
yes absolutely I think a portion of the

1634
01:11:00,290 --> 01:10:58,260
public would uh accept it and another

1635
01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:00,300
portion wouldn't unfortunately we live

1636
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:03,300
in an age where anything can be faked at

1637
01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:06,300
this point and you know it's frustrating

1638
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:09,300
because while videos and photos were

1639
01:11:14,689 --> 01:11:12,420
once like the evidence that ufology used

1640
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:14,699
to try to prove something it's almost

1641
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:18,300
done nothing but work against it at this

1642
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,580
point and I find that a very fascinating

1643
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:22,080
kind of um

1644
01:11:27,229 --> 01:11:25,679
I don't know Devolution in the entire

1645
01:11:30,649 --> 01:11:27,239
ufology

1646
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,659
um yeah so I don't know while I would

1647
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:33,360
hope a video surfacing of something like

1648
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:36,420
that uh would help yeah to tie it all

1649
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:39,300
together whatever video you know to go

1650
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:41,880
with rendelshim what if we had a video

1651
01:11:48,290 --> 01:11:44,699
to go with Travis Walton you know what

1652
01:11:50,330 --> 01:11:48,300
if we had a video even the video of uh

1653
01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:50,340
the Phoenix Lights wasn't enough

1654
01:11:56,209 --> 01:11:53,820
right it's cool but it supported the

1655
01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:56,219
eyewitness uh testimony but it wasn't

1656
01:12:01,850 --> 01:12:00,060
the definitive video and and the real

1657
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:01,860
videos that were out there have

1658
01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:05,760
disappeared I've watched two videos uh

1659
01:12:10,250 --> 01:12:07,260
from the Phoenix Lights that I can't

1660
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:10,260
find anymore they're gone and they were

1661
01:12:16,490 --> 01:12:12,360
absolutely incredible

1662
01:12:18,890 --> 01:12:16,500
um but yeah it it we need something uh

1663
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:18,900
that ties a case together like the

1664
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:21,780
varghini case where now you have this

1665
01:12:24,729 --> 01:12:23,340
you have the eyewitness testimony you

1666
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:24,739
have all this other

1667
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,420
anecdotal evidence you know that sits on

1668
01:12:31,729 --> 01:12:30,000
the outside but if something like that

1669
01:12:35,209 --> 01:12:31,739
surfaced

1670
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,219
you know I I yeah and even if the

1671
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:37,440
Patterson gimlin film right the Bigfoot

1672
01:12:42,729 --> 01:12:40,920
footage as great as that is that didn't

1673
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:42,739
make people Believers

1674
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:44,940
right that were on the fence with

1675
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:47,880
Bigfoot and that's that's a great piece

1676
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,980
of footage absolutely it's probably one

1677
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:51,840
of the best I think it's you know up

1678
01:12:57,649 --> 01:12:54,840
there with the JFK video is one of the

1679
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:57,659
most famous videos of all time no doubt

1680
01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:01,199
so I get it like there will always be a

1681
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,060
place for video evidence

1682
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:05,760
um you know there's even James Fox in

1683
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:07,140
the past few days has come forward

1684
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:09,480
saying you know I've seen the most

1685
01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:12,960
amazing UFO video out there and now what

1686
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:15,060
happens with that case now a famous

1687
01:13:22,729 --> 01:13:19,500
YouTube star and WWE wrestler Logan Paul

1688
01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:22,739
is the one in possession of this video

1689
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,380
um quote unquote he stole it

1690
01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:27,600
um you know so that whole thing is weird

1691
01:13:32,090 --> 01:13:29,580
too and it's like you know what's weird

1692
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,100
about that okay I'm sorry to get off of

1693
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:34,560
your book no not at all but but we're

1694
01:13:39,229 --> 01:13:36,960
gonna get right back on it because this

1695
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:39,239
next title is is crazy crazier than the

1696
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:40,800
first one but

1697
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:45,480
um of all the people Logan Paul really

1698
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:49,440
um and is it now here's the thing with

1699
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:52,560
Logan Paul he's about clicks

1700
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:54,800
Are UFOs

1701
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,080
that valuable now right right right

1702
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:00,480
right right think about that's the

1703
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:02,760
aspect that I'm fascinated with not is

1704
01:14:09,229 --> 01:14:06,000
the video real or fake or this or did he

1705
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:09,239
steal it and and and and and the drama

1706
01:14:13,790 --> 01:14:12,060
that is unfolding on Twitter it's not

1707
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:13,800
about that I think what's more

1708
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:17,280
fascinating is pop culture and what

1709
01:14:24,169 --> 01:14:21,540
these uh uh influencers consider uh

1710
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:24,179
clickable and in this case Logan Paul

1711
01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:27,060
and he's got quite the following and he

1712
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:29,400
knows how to create drama he's really

1713
01:14:35,570 --> 01:14:30,960
good with it

1714
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:35,580
um it's UFOs that now are clickable to

1715
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,199
that world don't you find that

1716
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:40,080
interesting yeah absolutely I mean

1717
01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:43,620
anytime UFOs are in the news or or

1718
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,500
whatnot like they make a splash they

1719
01:14:50,689 --> 01:14:48,239
always do I mean I always go back to the

1720
01:14:53,209 --> 01:14:50,699
Chicago O'Hare incident when that story

1721
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:53,219
first hit the pages of the Chicago

1722
01:14:58,850 --> 01:14:56,100
Tribune I believe it was their online

1723
01:15:01,610 --> 01:14:58,860
edition it crashed their website they'd

1724
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,620
never seen traffic like that ever before

1725
01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:04,320
and it was a UFO story same could be

1726
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:07,140
said about the 2017 story in the New

1727
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:09,360
York Times like this topic will always

1728
01:15:13,610 --> 01:15:12,480
have the Public's attention when

1729
01:15:18,050 --> 01:15:13,620
something

1730
01:15:20,570 --> 01:15:18,060
hopefully credible comes forward so it

1731
01:15:22,370 --> 01:15:20,580
doesn't surprise me that now you know

1732
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:22,380
someone like Logan Paul is involved in

1733
01:15:26,270 --> 01:15:24,300
the world of UFOs

1734
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,280
um I struggle with that every day first

1735
01:15:31,010 --> 01:15:29,280
he stepped on my my WWE I'm a huge

1736
01:15:33,229 --> 01:15:31,020
wrestling fan Jimmy always have been

1737
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:33,239
always will be and now he's stepping on

1738
01:15:41,149 --> 01:15:37,199
ufology yeah I saw the WWF comment that

1739
01:15:42,490 --> 01:15:41,159
you made yeah so the World Wildlife Fund

1740
01:15:45,229 --> 01:15:42,500
yeah

1741
01:15:46,729 --> 01:15:45,239
I know they had to change their name I

1742
01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:46,739
thought it was back in the 90s I'm

1743
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:49,020
telling you I follow you man I read your

1744
01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:52,440
stuff I appreciate that but uh yeah I I

1745
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:54,900
think you know clicks likes follows

1746
01:15:58,430 --> 01:15:57,360
that's just the world we live in now and

1747
01:16:01,010 --> 01:15:58,440
it's

1748
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:01,020
hey if Logan Paul's gonna be the one to

1749
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:03,120
put out disseminate the greatest UFO

1750
01:16:06,530 --> 01:16:04,980
video of all time

1751
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,540
um that's the world we live in and we

1752
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,640
just have to accept it will it get more

1753
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,280
eyes on the topic absolutely

1754
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:12,960
um but then where does it go from there

1755
01:16:18,590 --> 01:16:15,420
uh that's the big question well it'll be

1756
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:18,600
on it'll be on his boxing shorts after

1757
01:16:25,930 --> 01:16:22,380
the next pay-per-view be on the back or

1758
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:25,940
maybe maybe a tattoo maybe a tattoo okay

1759
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:29,100
so you never know all right now I hope

1760
01:16:35,330 --> 01:16:31,080
I'm saying this right

1761
01:16:37,130 --> 01:16:35,340
um but it caught my eye uh Das dryak

1762
01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:37,140
Uber Hood

1763
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,239
oh

1764
01:16:44,510 --> 01:16:41,520
so that's clearly one of the German

1765
01:16:45,169 --> 01:16:44,520
stories I've got a couple in the book

1766
01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:45,179
um

1767
01:16:52,189 --> 01:16:47,940
let's see

1768
01:16:54,890 --> 01:16:52,199
that one I believe is yes yes okay this

1769
01:16:56,810 --> 01:16:54,900
is an individual two actually two German

1770
01:16:59,570 --> 01:16:56,820
guys came to me around the same time

1771
01:17:02,630 --> 01:16:59,580
which I found very interesting and both

1772
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:02,640
had black triangle stories to tell

1773
01:17:06,649 --> 01:17:04,560
um which I found fascinating as well we

1774
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:06,659
hear about the black triangles a lot in

1775
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,060
um in America or the Belgian wave

1776
01:17:12,770 --> 01:17:10,800
obviously was a big one

1777
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:12,780
um but this one came to me from a

1778
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,060
gentleman uh in right on the border

1779
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:17,760
actually of Germany and uh and and

1780
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:21,600
France and like literally On the Border

1781
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:24,300
this dude worked border control

1782
01:17:31,370 --> 01:17:27,440
um and he and his girlfriend at the time

1783
01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:31,380
had a very dramatic triangular UFO

1784
01:17:38,209 --> 01:17:34,080
sighting where this thing came down is

1785
01:17:40,910 --> 01:17:38,219
and was within like 200 feet of them and

1786
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:40,920
he describes in the book you know how

1787
01:17:45,649 --> 01:17:43,199
close it was he could see the seams he

1788
01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:45,659
could see the skin of The Craft

1789
01:17:49,189 --> 01:17:47,640
um and it just hovered there

1790
01:17:51,649 --> 01:17:49,199
um he he had very interesting

1791
01:17:55,149 --> 01:17:51,659
physiological effects like his entire

1792
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:55,159
body was vibrating during this event

1793
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:58,080
and he just distinctly remembers this

1794
01:18:05,169 --> 01:18:01,679
thing almost doing like a Star Wars or a

1795
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:05,179
Star Trek like warp speed thing it just

1796
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,020
slingshoted up into the air and

1797
01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:09,360
disappeared and left like this straight

1798
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:11,460
line of light behind it as it

1799
01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:13,320
disappeared into the sky

1800
01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:15,780
um so yeah that that was an interesting

1801
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:18,060
one because again I had two different

1802
01:18:22,669 --> 01:18:19,980
people from Germany

1803
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:22,679
um come to me and have very similar

1804
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:25,980
incidents around the same time so I do

1805
01:18:31,310 --> 01:18:27,600
have to wonder was this part of a

1806
01:18:34,430 --> 01:18:31,320
triangular UFO wave in Germany possibly

1807
01:18:36,350 --> 01:18:34,440
um but they didn't mean to do that as

1808
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,360
far as I know it was just happenstance

1809
01:18:40,669 --> 01:18:38,880
that two different people from the same

1810
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:40,679
country came to me and told me these

1811
01:18:44,450 --> 01:18:42,600
stories so yeah that was an interesting

1812
01:18:47,930 --> 01:18:44,460
one if you were talking black triangles

1813
01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:47,940
yeah and and talk about waves what

1814
01:18:56,450 --> 01:18:50,340
happened to abductions

1815
01:18:59,630 --> 01:18:56,460
and I I I do think about that

1816
01:19:02,570 --> 01:18:59,640
um now are are they occurring

1817
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:02,580
still right like tonight while you and I

1818
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:03,840
are just you know somebody's getting

1819
01:19:07,970 --> 01:19:05,940
abducted and we just don't hear about

1820
01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:07,980
them anymore are they happening

1821
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:10,140
differently

1822
01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:13,020
um is the mind not remembering them or

1823
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:16,860
is it just a phase

1824
01:19:21,950 --> 01:19:19,800
um that was real of course I mean some

1825
01:19:23,570 --> 01:19:21,960
of the most incredible cases ever have

1826
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,580
occurred

1827
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:25,440
um supported by uh you know piles of

1828
01:19:29,689 --> 01:19:27,960
evidence but we don't hear about them

1829
01:19:33,169 --> 01:19:29,699
much anymore do you

1830
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:33,179
no and I've asked myself that question a

1831
01:19:38,990 --> 01:19:36,000
lot recently too you know um in my first

1832
01:19:40,729 --> 01:19:39,000
book back in 2016 I had a couple

1833
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:40,739
abduction stories and some of them were

1834
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:43,920
quite recent in the book um however I

1835
01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:45,540
feel like you're right we don't hear

1836
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:46,860
about them anymore and you do have to

1837
01:19:51,229 --> 01:19:48,420
wonder are we just not hearing about

1838
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:51,239
them or are they not happening and I

1839
01:19:57,050 --> 01:19:54,120
forget who it was I spoke to recently

1840
01:19:59,050 --> 01:19:57,060
who I asked that question to it might

1841
01:20:03,890 --> 01:19:59,060
have been an actual abduction researcher

1842
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:03,900
but they told me um honestly I feel like

1843
01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:05,880
whatever intelligence or Source lay

1844
01:20:12,530 --> 01:20:09,960
behind the abductions uh they're done

1845
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:12,540
in it was the most simple profound

1846
01:20:16,850 --> 01:20:14,880
answer that could have came to me I'm

1847
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:16,860
like they're they're done with what they

1848
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:19,020
needed to do and they've moved on I have

1849
01:20:23,570 --> 01:20:22,320
no issues with that yeah except right

1850
01:20:26,450 --> 01:20:23,580
except

1851
01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:26,460
uh suddenly we got cattle mutilations in

1852
01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:28,860
Texas right and I thought I thought that

1853
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:32,580
had kind of phased out and and I kind of

1854
01:20:38,090 --> 01:20:35,640
feel that were you surprised to see that

1855
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,100
headline come out of Texas no it was six

1856
01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:40,560
but they amended it because after that

1857
01:20:46,370 --> 01:20:43,500
story broke they found a seventh uh

1858
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:46,380
mutilated cow in in the same area were

1859
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:48,120
you surprised to suddenly see that in

1860
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:50,460
the headlines I was you know we don't

1861
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:53,520
hear about those anymore either it seems

1862
01:20:58,490 --> 01:20:55,440
like you know all this stuff from the

1863
01:21:00,350 --> 01:20:58,500
80s is like making a Resurgence maybe

1864
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:00,360
abductions will come back and I also I

1865
01:21:04,070 --> 01:21:01,920
want to make it clear too Jimmy like

1866
01:21:04,910 --> 01:21:04,080
when I say that this person said they're

1867
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:04,920
done

1868
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:06,900
um we clearly don't know that for a fact

1869
01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:08,760
there could be people out there having

1870
01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:10,440
these those experiences like you said

1871
01:21:13,970 --> 01:21:12,540
right now so I don't want to take that

1872
01:21:17,149 --> 01:21:13,980
away from them

1873
01:21:19,070 --> 01:21:17,159
um but in Mass we're not seeing it like

1874
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:19,080
we used to and you do have to kind of

1875
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:20,100
wonder

1876
01:21:26,810 --> 01:21:23,840
was this a a

1877
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:26,820
sociological thing you know back when

1878
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:29,340
the these things were big and it's just

1879
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,920
not a thing anymore or are the

1880
01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:33,600
abductions not happening I don't know

1881
01:21:36,890 --> 01:21:35,880
same with cattle mutilations you know

1882
01:21:39,229 --> 01:21:36,900
there could be a million different

1883
01:21:40,669 --> 01:21:39,239
reasons for what happened to those those

1884
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:40,679
poor animals

1885
01:21:47,149 --> 01:21:44,900
um some very prosaic and some possibly

1886
01:21:48,770 --> 01:21:47,159
extraterrestrial who's to really know

1887
01:21:51,649 --> 01:21:48,780
the the law enforcement who are

1888
01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:51,659
investigating it even the FBI can't find

1889
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:54,780
answers so um you do truly have to

1890
01:21:59,689 --> 01:21:57,780
wonder so I don't know I honestly can't

1891
01:22:02,330 --> 01:21:59,699
tell you yeah and I think missing time

1892
01:22:05,450 --> 01:22:02,340
has a lot you know probably I don't know

1893
01:22:07,490 --> 01:22:05,460
for sure of course but uh that the

1894
01:22:10,030 --> 01:22:07,500
missing time part of this you see a

1895
01:22:14,209 --> 01:22:10,040
craft and then you know four hours later

1896
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:14,219
uh your memory comes back then so what

1897
01:22:19,070 --> 01:22:15,960
happened during those four hours

1898
01:22:22,130 --> 01:22:19,080
and that that you know the abduction

1899
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:22,140
phenomenon probably hasn't gone anywhere

1900
01:22:28,729 --> 01:22:25,920
um it's just a new methodology right a

1901
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:28,739
new method to the madness yeah that has

1902
01:22:34,189 --> 01:22:32,400
fixed as some of those uh Total Recall

1903
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:34,199
um because even going back to Betty and

1904
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:35,580
Barney Hill they still had to be

1905
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:38,880
regressed they they saw something and

1906
01:22:44,270 --> 01:22:42,420
they remembered you know a little bit

1907
01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:44,280
um but it wasn't until the regression

1908
01:22:48,649 --> 01:22:46,860
that everything came back Travis Walton

1909
01:22:50,510 --> 01:22:48,659
on the other hand that wasn't an

1910
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:50,520
intentional abduction

1911
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:53,820
right that was an accident yeah and then

1912
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:55,920
they had to fix him I I love that kind

1913
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:58,320
of evolution and thought on his part I

1914
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,239
find that fascinating and and that's

1915
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,679
what a lot of these people experience

1916
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:04,080
kind of an evolution and thought on what

1917
01:23:07,910 --> 01:23:05,640
happened to them well once they thought

1918
01:23:11,209 --> 01:23:07,920
you know I was kidnapped by aliens now

1919
01:23:14,450 --> 01:23:11,219
they're thankful that it happened or or

1920
01:23:18,169 --> 01:23:14,460
or or some remain resentful but uh it's

1921
01:23:20,630 --> 01:23:18,179
fascinating nonetheless okay here you go

1922
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:20,640
get your own damn cigarettes

1923
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:24,480
God yep yeah so this this was one that

1924
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:27,420
happened to a gentleman Ron slotnick

1925
01:23:33,229 --> 01:23:31,199
um in Canada and uh he's had a lot of

1926
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:33,239
different sightings I I think I cover

1927
01:23:38,090 --> 01:23:35,640
one two maybe possibly three of his

1928
01:23:41,570 --> 01:23:38,100
experiences in the book

1929
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:41,580
um and I remember his dad sent him out

1930
01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:43,500
to get him cigarettes at the local store

1931
01:23:47,630 --> 01:23:45,780
sent him out at least once a week to do

1932
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:47,640
this and whatnot and on one of these

1933
01:23:53,330 --> 01:23:50,400
trips out to get the cigarettes he had a

1934
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,340
very dramatic UFO sighting um near an

1935
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,199
airport of all places so your mind

1936
01:23:58,430 --> 01:23:56,880
immediately goes oh an airport it was

1937
01:24:01,610 --> 01:23:58,440
probably a plane like he just

1938
01:24:03,649 --> 01:24:01,620
misidentified it no no definitely not

1939
01:24:04,729 --> 01:24:03,659
the case whatever this was uh we're

1940
01:24:07,970 --> 01:24:04,739
talking like

1941
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:07,980
um lights in the sky but very dramatic

1942
01:24:12,169 --> 01:24:10,140
very orb like

1943
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,179
um moving intelligently

1944
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,159
um independent of one another almost

1945
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:16,560
like this choreographed dance of these

1946
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:18,540
lights in the sky

1947
01:24:23,870 --> 01:24:21,600
um and immediately Ron goes home and

1948
01:24:27,410 --> 01:24:23,880
tells his dad about this and as they're

1949
01:24:30,350 --> 01:24:27,420
talking about it on the news like

1950
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,360
dozens and dozens of other people

1951
01:24:36,110 --> 01:24:32,880
we're seeing these things and talk about

1952
01:24:39,169 --> 01:24:36,120
in it talking about it live on the news

1953
01:24:41,810 --> 01:24:39,179
um and Ron was so scared and affected by

1954
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:41,820
all this that he told his dad straight

1955
01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:43,860
up in that moment get your own damn

1956
01:24:50,149 --> 01:24:47,640
cigarettes next time so yeah again I I

1957
01:24:52,130 --> 01:24:50,159
had so much fun Jimmy titling these

1958
01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:52,140
things and that's what really brings out

1959
01:24:57,709 --> 01:24:54,540
the humanity in a lot of these cases

1960
01:24:59,090 --> 01:24:57,719
it's not just like oh the light incident

1961
01:25:02,030 --> 01:24:59,100
of Canada

1962
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,040
um no I wanted to give these people like

1963
01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:04,320
character in the titles of their stories

1964
01:25:09,649 --> 01:25:06,840
and uh that was one of them for sure get

1965
01:25:13,070 --> 01:25:09,659
your own damn cigarettes dad

1966
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:13,080
um last night and I love it just like

1967
01:25:18,649 --> 01:25:16,320
um uh the get your own damn cigarettes

1968
01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:18,659
you know when you least expect it right

1969
01:25:25,130 --> 01:25:21,900
so last night and I tell these stories

1970
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:25,140
so frequently now that and it's it's to

1971
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:26,760
me it's almost a daily occurrence part

1972
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:28,560
of it is where I live I live in Palmdale

1973
01:25:32,570 --> 01:25:31,199
next to Skunk Works and there's a lot of

1974
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,580
dramatic stuff happening all the time

1975
01:25:38,570 --> 01:25:35,280
but last night man all right I'm just

1976
01:25:40,189 --> 01:25:38,580
gonna share this very brief

1977
01:25:41,570 --> 01:25:40,199
um I'm getting ready for bed I just got

1978
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:41,580
back from Las Vegas right and I'm

1979
01:25:46,669 --> 01:25:44,880
working and and now I'm tired and I step

1980
01:25:48,530 --> 01:25:46,679
out second floor

1981
01:25:50,689 --> 01:25:48,540
um I have a balcony

1982
01:25:52,970 --> 01:25:50,699
off of my bedroom so I'll open up the

1983
01:25:54,649 --> 01:25:52,980
sliding glass door and I got there to

1984
01:25:56,209 --> 01:25:54,659
you know starting to warm up here in the

1985
01:25:59,450 --> 01:25:56,219
deserts nice night

1986
01:26:01,490 --> 01:25:59,460
and I just looked to my nothing really

1987
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,500
caught my eye but I just happened to

1988
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:03,120
just kind of like look out to my left

1989
01:26:07,550 --> 01:26:04,800
which is north

1990
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:07,560
and man as I live and breathe right

1991
01:26:13,850 --> 01:26:10,800
behind this tree this right

1992
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:13,860
it's low it's behind the street this

1993
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,100
light pops out it's going uh to the east

1994
01:26:20,510 --> 01:26:19,199
and I went oh okay all right but I

1995
01:26:25,390 --> 01:26:20,520
didn't see it on the other side of the

1996
01:26:29,330 --> 01:26:25,400
tree right so anyway but it's it's like

1997
01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:29,340
genuinely freaking bright

1998
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:32,040
and and low and big and so it's going

1999
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:34,260
like this one okay all right okay all

2000
01:26:39,550 --> 01:26:36,239
right whatever whatever

2001
01:26:42,350 --> 01:26:39,560
no I'm not getting sucked in right now

2002
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,360
okay but I can't keep my eye on it and

2003
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:44,400
this freaking thing turns right it just

2004
01:26:49,550 --> 01:26:46,980
turns and it just comes back and comes

2005
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:49,560
on now as it's getting over it was

2006
01:26:55,550 --> 01:26:52,500
heading that way at first right and it

2007
01:26:57,890 --> 01:26:55,560
turns and it comes back and this is what

2008
01:26:59,810 --> 01:26:57,900
I said to myself please have aircraft

2009
01:27:01,850 --> 01:26:59,820
lights please have aircraft lights

2010
01:27:03,770 --> 01:27:01,860
please have aircraft lights I don't need

2011
01:27:06,350 --> 01:27:03,780
this right now I do not need this right

2012
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:06,360
now and it just went right up just a

2013
01:27:13,850 --> 01:27:10,380
white ball just went right over no uh no

2014
01:27:16,910 --> 01:27:13,860
no green red flashing nothing and we

2015
01:27:19,010 --> 01:27:16,920
just kept going and I was like I was

2016
01:27:21,290 --> 01:27:19,020
gonna run in I was gonna grab my cell

2017
01:27:23,750 --> 01:27:21,300
phone it's like I just don't need this

2018
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:23,760
man I know Mick West is going to debunk

2019
01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:26,280
my kid and you know

2020
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:29,400
I just don't need the drama but yeah and

2021
01:27:33,290 --> 01:27:31,440
I just watched it go over and uh no

2022
01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:33,300
flashing lights no noise

2023
01:27:37,970 --> 01:27:36,120
um it was I thought it was land

2024
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:37,980
something landing at Edwards that's what

2025
01:27:41,870 --> 01:27:39,600
I thought Edwards Air Force Base out

2026
01:27:43,850 --> 01:27:41,880
here was low but it turned came back

2027
01:27:45,950 --> 01:27:43,860
over went right over my head and and

2028
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:45,960
back over my house heading west so it

2029
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,159
was going east

2030
01:27:52,850 --> 01:27:50,159
going east and then elevated up and then

2031
01:27:56,510 --> 01:27:52,860
like maybe you turn them went straight

2032
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:56,520
out straight out west but that's crazy

2033
01:27:59,870 --> 01:27:58,440
man so you're gonna be in my next book

2034
01:28:02,810 --> 01:27:59,880
then it's what you're trying to tell me

2035
01:28:04,729 --> 01:28:02,820
exactly you know yeah I was Dorothy in

2036
01:28:06,250 --> 01:28:04,739
The Wizard of Oz I was clicking my heels

2037
01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:06,260
three times

2038
01:28:15,530 --> 01:28:13,970
I get it I I've been there like no

2039
01:28:17,209 --> 01:28:15,540
matter how long we've been in this field

2040
01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:17,219
no matter how many stories we've told

2041
01:28:22,669 --> 01:28:20,460
when you become a part of the story uh

2042
01:28:25,370 --> 01:28:22,679
it's very unsettling and I'll make this

2043
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:25,380
brief I um I spent a weekend in the

2044
01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:28,800
woods with a group of UFO abductees

2045
01:28:32,930 --> 01:28:30,540
um this is a few years back in Lake

2046
01:28:34,669 --> 01:28:32,940
Placid up in New York it was like a

2047
01:28:38,209 --> 01:28:34,679
weekend retreat and I wanted to put

2048
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:38,219
myself you know straight smack dab in

2049
01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:39,780
the middle of a group of experiencers

2050
01:28:44,450 --> 01:28:41,820
and see if anything happened it was like

2051
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,460
this experiment I wanted to do

2052
01:28:48,110 --> 01:28:46,080
um so I spent the weekend with these

2053
01:28:50,750 --> 01:28:48,120
experiencers I heard their stories it

2054
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:50,760
was very emotional powerful weekend for

2055
01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:51,600
sure

2056
01:28:56,330 --> 01:28:54,000
um but then when I went to bed that

2057
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,340
night I was on the second floor of this

2058
01:29:02,629 --> 01:28:58,800
this cabin in the middle of the woods

2059
01:29:05,390 --> 01:29:02,639
and um I hear a tapping on my outside

2060
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:05,400
window and I distinctly remember looking

2061
01:29:09,169 --> 01:29:07,260
out that window

2062
01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:09,179
um you know the the morning before that

2063
01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:11,100
and there's nothing out there there's no

2064
01:29:14,450 --> 01:29:13,260
trees so it wasn't a branch tapping the

2065
01:29:17,930 --> 01:29:14,460
window

2066
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:17,940
um nothing like that and then under my

2067
01:29:25,550 --> 01:29:21,480
closed door I could see like faint light

2068
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,560
and footsteps moving under the door and

2069
01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:28,080
everyone was asleep that I knew of

2070
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:30,540
um that night and that was a moment man

2071
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:33,600
where I'm like I why did I do this to

2072
01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:37,280
myself I just put myself in a possibly

2073
01:29:41,209 --> 01:29:39,480
life-altering experience of getting

2074
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:41,219
abducted

2075
01:29:44,689 --> 01:29:42,960
um and there was there were a few

2076
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:44,699
moments where I was just laying in bed

2077
01:29:50,030 --> 01:29:46,980
Frozen saying to myself like please

2078
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:50,040
don't be abducted please like I I can't

2079
01:29:54,830 --> 01:29:51,600
I don't know what I was thinking by

2080
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:54,840
doing this um I was not abducted uh at

2081
01:30:00,290 --> 01:29:57,360
least not to my my knowledge uh but it

2082
01:30:02,330 --> 01:30:00,300
was a moment where you you a lot of

2083
01:30:04,970 --> 01:30:02,340
people say like oh I want to see a UFO

2084
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:04,980
or I want to get abducted right and I'm

2085
01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:06,480
sure the people who've had these

2086
01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:08,760
experiences myself included

2087
01:30:13,129 --> 01:30:11,400
um would say no you don't honestly you

2088
01:30:16,850 --> 01:30:13,139
don't I

2089
01:30:19,850 --> 01:30:16,860
um uh about it's about a year ago I've

2090
01:30:25,010 --> 01:30:19,860
never told the story all right

2091
01:30:29,149 --> 01:30:25,020
uh uh I I get out of the shower

2092
01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:29,159
and I'm getting dressed and I put on I'm

2093
01:30:34,669 --> 01:30:31,980
putting on my socks and on my left leg

2094
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:34,679
as I pull up the socks I went ow

2095
01:30:41,330 --> 01:30:39,360
what and and I looked down and I pulled

2096
01:30:44,990 --> 01:30:41,340
the socks right

2097
01:30:48,229 --> 01:30:45,000
about halfway up my calf on the outside

2098
01:30:50,510 --> 01:30:48,239
of my right chin

2099
01:30:56,689 --> 01:30:50,520
three little dots

2100
01:30:59,450 --> 01:30:56,699
and I'm looking and next to it was a

2101
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:59,460
little bit of a fresh bruise and it was

2102
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:01,139
kind of red

2103
01:31:06,649 --> 01:31:04,560
and I'm looking down I went no

2104
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:06,659
no I always want you know everybody's

2105
01:31:11,930 --> 01:31:08,820
posting pictures right yeah yeah yeah

2106
01:31:14,270 --> 01:31:11,940
yeah now I now I've got it and I looked

2107
01:31:17,090 --> 01:31:14,280
over at my phone I went no I'm not doing

2108
01:31:18,590 --> 01:31:17,100
it no no I'm not going now I've had the

2109
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:18,600
experience

2110
01:31:25,129 --> 01:31:21,840
I'm not gonna talk about this I'm I'm

2111
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:25,139
going to ignore so I sat um on the edge

2112
01:31:29,149 --> 01:31:27,360
of my bed and again now I'm the crazy

2113
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:29,159
person on my show

2114
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:32,639
right I'm becoming the story and I I

2115
01:31:37,850 --> 01:31:35,760
don't want that to be the case but I sat

2116
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:37,860
on the edge of my Bed full confession

2117
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:41,040
full transparency everybody okay how did

2118
01:31:46,729 --> 01:31:42,960
I do this to myself

2119
01:31:49,310 --> 01:31:46,739
when did I do this what did I walk into

2120
01:31:50,830 --> 01:31:49,320
and I just I didn't have those answers I

2121
01:31:54,290 --> 01:31:50,840
didn't walk into anything

2122
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:54,300
and uh and I didn't feel it didn't know

2123
01:31:59,570 --> 01:31:56,880
about it until I put on the sock and it

2124
01:32:01,550 --> 01:31:59,580
hurt by the way when my sock when I mean

2125
01:32:03,050 --> 01:32:01,560
I like jumped

2126
01:32:04,970 --> 01:32:03,060
um but I don't want to become part of

2127
01:32:09,290 --> 01:32:04,980
the story so I didn't take a picture of

2128
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:09,300
it I I I don't need I you know

2129
01:32:15,470 --> 01:32:12,719
um uh I didn't want to share this

2130
01:32:17,629 --> 01:32:15,480
experience because I don't know you know

2131
01:32:20,149 --> 01:32:17,639
but just like anybody else that uh

2132
01:32:21,169 --> 01:32:20,159
awakes man I just saw you see my

2133
01:32:25,070 --> 01:32:21,179
reaction

2134
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:25,080
I just offering Shadow move dude yeah I

2135
01:32:30,610 --> 01:32:26,760
don't need this man I don't need this

2136
01:32:33,890 --> 01:32:30,620
Ryan right here

2137
01:32:36,110 --> 01:32:33,900
oh man get your own damn cigarettes is

2138
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:36,120
what it comes down to

2139
01:32:40,669 --> 01:32:37,440
all right let's go to the next one here

2140
01:32:43,610 --> 01:32:40,679
we go okay I want your reaction to this

2141
01:32:48,350 --> 01:32:43,620
because I have the T-shirt okay all

2142
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:49,930
what is it

2143
01:32:54,770 --> 01:32:52,320
oh there it is

2144
01:32:57,169 --> 01:32:54,780
yeah so

2145
01:32:59,930 --> 01:32:57,179
um like you big fan of stranger uh

2146
01:33:02,209 --> 01:32:59,940
stranger things and um hellfire club is

2147
01:33:04,610 --> 01:33:02,219
obviously a big part of that so when

2148
01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:04,620
this story came to me I'm like ah this

2149
01:33:08,570 --> 01:33:06,600
is perfect like stranger things just

2150
01:33:10,729 --> 01:33:08,580
dropped um people are gonna be very

2151
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:10,739
familiar with this title

2152
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:12,060
um there we go they're going to want to

2153
01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:13,679
hear about this one

2154
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,540
um and I didn't know this I had to look

2155
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:17,040
into the actual history of what the

2156
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:19,920
hellfire club is right um and it's it's

2157
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:24,239
this place in Ireland and um this guy

2158
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:26,639
who came to me with this story lives

2159
01:33:30,250 --> 01:33:29,520
right near this place a very

2160
01:33:33,709 --> 01:33:30,260
um

2161
01:33:36,050 --> 01:33:33,719
fascinating enigmatic kind of ruins that

2162
01:33:39,830 --> 01:33:36,060
are out there in Ireland

2163
01:33:41,810 --> 01:33:39,840
um that a lot of just strange stuff was

2164
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:41,820
said to have occurred in the past

2165
01:33:46,490 --> 01:33:44,159
um very haunted a lot of paranormal

2166
01:33:49,610 --> 01:33:46,500
phenomena there as well

2167
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:49,620
um but what he saw was again this kind

2168
01:33:53,510 --> 01:33:52,260
of orb phenomenon one day when he was

2169
01:33:55,070 --> 01:33:53,520
out there

2170
01:33:57,530 --> 01:33:55,080
um his his where he lives actually

2171
01:34:00,169 --> 01:33:57,540
overlooks this hellfire club these

2172
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:00,179
Rolling Green Hills with these ruins

2173
01:34:04,030 --> 01:34:03,120
very very Irish very um what you would

2174
01:34:08,530 --> 01:34:04,040
expect

2175
01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:08,540
and these orbs were all around the ruins

2176
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:12,420
dancing back and forth all around it

2177
01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:15,120
um so that one was really really

2178
01:34:19,129 --> 01:34:16,500
interesting

2179
01:34:22,129 --> 01:34:19,139
um and I remember when he told me the

2180
01:34:24,350 --> 01:34:22,139
story on the podcast I mean I live in

2181
01:34:26,450 --> 01:34:24,360
Scotland it's hard enough to try to

2182
01:34:29,450 --> 01:34:26,460
understand some of the actual Scottish

2183
01:34:31,310 --> 01:34:29,460
people here the accents are so thick but

2184
01:34:34,610 --> 01:34:31,320
when he told me this story

2185
01:34:39,290 --> 01:34:34,620
um this guy is as Irish as they come and

2186
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,300
I had to slow it down his audio like 90

2187
01:34:44,030 --> 01:34:41,520
to actually get the story because he was

2188
01:34:45,649 --> 01:34:44,040
so excited telling it um in his Irish

2189
01:34:47,629 --> 01:34:45,659
accent no doubt

2190
01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:47,639
um so I had to really work with him on

2191
01:34:52,910 --> 01:34:49,860
this one to get every word right have

2192
01:34:55,550 --> 01:34:52,920
you seen the new TV show uh Citadel

2193
01:34:58,310 --> 01:34:55,560
no okay all right it's I think it's

2194
01:34:59,810 --> 01:34:58,320
Amazon that part doesn't matter so the

2195
01:35:01,750 --> 01:34:59,820
lead actor

2196
01:35:04,430 --> 01:35:01,760
um he's a secret agent you know whatever

2197
01:35:08,090 --> 01:35:04,440
uh American

2198
01:35:10,669 --> 01:35:08,100
um and and so I decided to the first two

2199
01:35:14,990 --> 01:35:10,679
episodes or maybe three you know that

2200
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:15,000
that I get through and uh this was last

2201
01:35:19,250 --> 01:35:16,800
night after I got back from Vegas so

2202
01:35:21,050 --> 01:35:19,260
there was uh what do you call it you

2203
01:35:24,530 --> 01:35:21,060
know the behind the scenes episode wrap

2204
01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:24,540
up special thing right all right since I

2205
01:35:29,149 --> 01:35:25,860
don't have another episode let's watch

2206
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:29,159
that and the lead actor

2207
01:35:35,090 --> 01:35:31,040
dude is Irish

2208
01:35:39,649 --> 01:35:35,100
and and I was like wait wait what dude

2209
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:39,659
his American accent is perfect wow right

2210
01:35:42,910 --> 01:35:41,520
I couldn't understand a damn thing he

2211
01:35:46,189 --> 01:35:42,920
was saying yes

2212
01:35:49,550 --> 01:35:46,199
but this guy's really Irish all right

2213
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,560
all right and uh and they were doing cut

2214
01:35:52,910 --> 01:35:51,360
scenes going back and forth you know

2215
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,920
he's commenting on and they're going

2216
01:35:56,330 --> 01:35:55,199
back and and I'm listening to him so I'm

2217
01:35:59,689 --> 01:35:56,340
like dude

2218
01:36:02,090 --> 01:35:59,699
yeah yeah he's he's a brilliant actor is

2219
01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:02,100
his English is America I should say

2220
01:36:08,030 --> 01:36:06,719
American not English is American is very

2221
01:36:10,430 --> 01:36:08,040
American

2222
01:36:11,689 --> 01:36:10,440
I didn't understand anything he said in

2223
01:36:13,729 --> 01:36:11,699
his natural what his natural language

2224
01:36:16,669 --> 01:36:13,739
that's so funny that was that's like

2225
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:16,679
Hugh Laurie I had no idea that guy was

2226
01:36:21,290 --> 01:36:18,960
from the UK I didn't know about his

2227
01:36:23,330 --> 01:36:21,300
previous work you know in the UK and

2228
01:36:25,070 --> 01:36:23,340
everything growing up um so when I found

2229
01:36:26,810 --> 01:36:25,080
that out it was like a mind-blowing

2230
01:36:29,030 --> 01:36:26,820
moment for sure yeah yeah and when they

2231
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:29,040
lay it on he knows Hugh Laurie's really

2232
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:31,800
good with this and a lot of them know

2233
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:35,940
that they can just lay it on real thick

2234
01:36:40,430 --> 01:36:38,639
so we don't understand you know and they

2235
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:40,440
because they know we're all in shock

2236
01:36:47,930 --> 01:36:44,639
like what you know Hugh Laurie um what

2237
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:47,940
was that house yeah that was great okay

2238
01:36:51,649 --> 01:36:49,920
here we go I had to do this so I'm gonna

2239
01:36:55,070 --> 01:36:51,659
do it

2240
01:36:58,430 --> 01:36:55,080
um uh anyway it's it's too great The

2241
01:37:01,550 --> 01:36:58,440
bubbling black blob of Fife

2242
01:37:03,229 --> 01:37:01,560
yeah so again with the titles this

2243
01:37:05,450 --> 01:37:03,239
really stuck out to me

2244
01:37:08,209 --> 01:37:05,460
um and this actually happened kind of in

2245
01:37:09,530 --> 01:37:08,219
my new neck of the woods in Scotland

2246
01:37:13,610 --> 01:37:09,540
um this happened to a gentleman named

2247
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:13,620
Tommy in Fife Scotland and he and his

2248
01:37:20,450 --> 01:37:17,280
friend he was uh like a teen at the time

2249
01:37:22,129 --> 01:37:20,460
um back in the the early 90s

2250
01:37:23,810 --> 01:37:22,139
um he was with his friend they were

2251
01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:23,820
riding their bikes down the street and

2252
01:37:27,410 --> 01:37:25,800
they come up to

2253
01:37:29,450 --> 01:37:27,420
um kind of like an oil slick you know

2254
01:37:31,550 --> 01:37:29,460
Jimmy when in the road where you get

2255
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:31,560
these little puddles full of whatever

2256
01:37:36,290 --> 01:37:33,600
gasoline or whatever from all the cars

2257
01:37:38,209 --> 01:37:36,300
driving by very hot out so you can see

2258
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,219
kind of the Waves coming off of this oil

2259
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:41,040
in the road so naturally the boys want

2260
01:37:44,750 --> 01:37:42,719
to go around these this thing on their

2261
01:37:46,669 --> 01:37:44,760
bike but as they're getting closer to

2262
01:37:49,490 --> 01:37:46,679
this this quote unquote like oil slick

2263
01:37:52,729 --> 01:37:49,500
in the road it's starting to grow the

2264
01:37:55,610 --> 01:37:52,739
closer they get and expand and like huh

2265
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,620
what's going on here is there like a an

2266
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:58,080
oil leak in the middle of the road

2267
01:38:01,250 --> 01:38:00,480
um so so as they try to get around this

2268
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:01,260
thing

2269
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:04,320
it just grows immensely and not only

2270
01:38:09,890 --> 01:38:06,960
that it starts bubbling and boiling

2271
01:38:12,530 --> 01:38:09,900
right there on the ground so something's

2272
01:38:16,129 --> 01:38:12,540
off something's weird about this so they

2273
01:38:19,310 --> 01:38:16,139
stop and they're just watching this like

2274
01:38:21,950 --> 01:38:19,320
black blob of what they thought was oil

2275
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:21,960
on the ground get really hot start

2276
01:38:28,370 --> 01:38:24,480
bubbling and then

2277
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,380
it starts to levitate off of the ground

2278
01:38:33,770 --> 01:38:30,560
so this black blob

2279
01:38:37,490 --> 01:38:33,780
ascends into the air and it's just

2280
01:38:39,709 --> 01:38:37,500
floating in midair and not only that it

2281
01:38:42,410 --> 01:38:39,719
started to make this unbearably loud

2282
01:38:45,010 --> 01:38:42,420
noise whatever it was I mean Tommy

2283
01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:45,020
remembers it being like

2284
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:47,760
earth-shattering noise and then it

2285
01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:50,400
started like almost like electricity was

2286
01:38:55,310 --> 01:38:53,820
coming off of this thing and they didn't

2287
01:38:58,610 --> 01:38:55,320
know what to do they just watched as

2288
01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:58,620
this bubbling black blob ascended into

2289
01:39:03,470 --> 01:39:01,320
the sky getting bigger and bigger and

2290
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:03,480
bigger and then just shot up into the

2291
01:39:09,290 --> 01:39:06,719
air and disappeared so

2292
01:39:11,209 --> 01:39:09,300
this was one of the First episodes of

2293
01:39:15,290 --> 01:39:11,219
somewhere in the skies when he brought

2294
01:39:17,090 --> 01:39:15,300
me this story and I wasn't sure if I

2295
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:17,100
wanted to use it I'm like this is too

2296
01:39:22,490 --> 01:39:20,400
strange no it's so weird a couple of

2297
01:39:23,870 --> 01:39:22,500
things come to mind yeah yeah you know

2298
01:39:27,709 --> 01:39:23,880
the black goo

2299
01:39:29,390 --> 01:39:27,719
right and and that whole period of

2300
01:39:31,010 --> 01:39:29,400
ufology

2301
01:39:33,550 --> 01:39:31,020
um the black goo the gray goo the black

2302
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:33,560
goo so there's that there's

2303
01:39:39,709 --> 01:39:37,199
nanotechnology you know the the uh could

2304
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:39,719
it could it be that uh uh you know

2305
01:39:44,750 --> 01:39:42,239
Terminator right the liquid steel are we

2306
01:39:47,450 --> 01:39:44,760
talking about right you know something

2307
01:39:49,490 --> 01:39:47,460
like that that can transform

2308
01:39:52,490 --> 01:39:49,500
um and shape wow no that's incredible

2309
01:39:54,050 --> 01:39:52,500
it's amazing you know in like younger me

2310
01:39:56,450 --> 01:39:54,060
as a researcher was like that's too

2311
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:56,460
weird No One's Gonna like believe that

2312
01:40:03,290 --> 01:39:59,760
whereas now I'm like no like that is the

2313
01:40:05,330 --> 01:40:03,300
story and um the weirder it is like I

2314
01:40:07,310 --> 01:40:05,340
said earlier the more I tend to believe

2315
01:40:10,610 --> 01:40:07,320
it like you can't make something up like

2316
01:40:12,470 --> 01:40:10,620
the bubbling black blob of Fife and I I

2317
01:40:15,229 --> 01:40:12,480
just found that story fascinating it's

2318
01:40:18,890 --> 01:40:15,239
unlike any UFO story I'd ever heard

2319
01:40:23,649 --> 01:40:18,900
before so of course who was the um

2320
01:40:26,209 --> 01:40:23,659
who's the UFO researcher that had died

2321
01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:26,219
mysteriously Max

2322
01:40:34,850 --> 01:40:31,020
uh oh yeah black goo was involved in

2323
01:40:37,250 --> 01:40:34,860
that too as well or they're erect

2324
01:40:42,110 --> 01:40:37,260
find it in his mouth yeah what was his

2325
01:40:43,850 --> 01:40:42,120
last name Max Max Max oh man someone in

2326
01:40:46,370 --> 01:40:43,860
the chat will know I actually wrote an

2327
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:46,380
article about you know mysterious deaths

2328
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:48,300
and ufology and that was one of them but

2329
01:40:53,330 --> 01:40:50,719
his last name is Spears

2330
01:40:54,290 --> 01:40:53,340
okay Spirit that's it that's it that's

2331
01:40:57,649 --> 01:40:54,300
it yep

2332
01:41:01,310 --> 01:40:57,659
good point yeah yeah you see yeah look

2333
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:01,320
look how uh look how quick

2334
01:41:10,669 --> 01:41:05,100
the chat room is okay on top of it yeah

2335
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,679
let's uh let's keep going I had one

2336
01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:12,719
um already

2337
01:41:23,330 --> 01:41:13,860
um

2338
01:41:27,229 --> 01:41:25,370
it what oh there it is there it is there

2339
01:41:28,669 --> 01:41:27,239
it is there it is and you had another

2340
01:41:31,850 --> 01:41:28,679
one

2341
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:31,860
um uh I'll just mention it you don't

2342
01:41:35,570 --> 01:41:33,840
have to tell the story but I thought it

2343
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:35,580
was interesting um I think it was New

2344
01:41:41,090 --> 01:41:39,060
York the New York rectangle oh yeah is

2345
01:41:43,310 --> 01:41:41,100
that was that what it was called yeah

2346
01:41:45,950 --> 01:41:43,320
there was um I had a few New York

2347
01:41:49,129 --> 01:41:45,960
stories uh you've got a lot of triangles

2348
01:41:51,530 --> 01:41:49,139
you've got geometrics mentioned a lot in

2349
01:41:54,590 --> 01:41:51,540
the in the titles yes and and that

2350
01:42:00,410 --> 01:41:54,600
particular one is rectangle um I I found

2351
01:42:03,410 --> 01:42:00,420
that it like this next one okay so check

2352
01:42:08,209 --> 01:42:03,420
this one out everybody

2353
01:42:11,570 --> 01:42:08,219
yeah there you go yep I mean a ferris

2354
01:42:12,890 --> 01:42:11,580
wheel so this one happened to a

2355
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:12,900
gentleman who some of your audience

2356
01:42:18,830 --> 01:42:15,360
might be familiar with uh he's another

2357
01:42:21,530 --> 01:42:18,840
UFO podcaster Andy mcgrillin is his name

2358
01:42:24,109 --> 01:42:21,540
a Scottish guy uh living in the UK now

2359
01:42:26,570 --> 01:42:24,119
and he has a show called that UFO

2360
01:42:29,570 --> 01:42:26,580
podcast uh so that was kind of my play

2361
01:42:31,790 --> 01:42:29,580
on it that unidentified flying Ferris

2362
01:42:35,209 --> 01:42:31,800
wheel because when uh when he was

2363
01:42:37,609 --> 01:42:35,219
younger he saw in the Skies over

2364
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:37,619
um over here in Scotland as well

2365
01:42:44,450 --> 01:42:41,520
what he described as a ferris wheel this

2366
01:42:48,290 --> 01:42:44,460
giant thing in the sky just spinning

2367
01:42:50,750 --> 01:42:48,300
like spinning stationery in the sky and

2368
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:50,760
then moving off into the distance

2369
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:53,400
um huge massive completely brilliantly

2370
01:42:59,689 --> 01:42:56,880
lit up and it was just rotating uh like

2371
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:59,699
we hear a lot of these saucer stories as

2372
01:43:02,570 --> 01:43:00,480
well

2373
01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:02,580
um so I found that one really

2374
01:43:07,129 --> 01:43:04,920
interesting to you and that was kind of

2375
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:07,139
one of the things that got Andy

2376
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,080
interested in UFOs obviously having this

2377
01:43:14,570 --> 01:43:12,000
very dramatic sighting of a ferris wheel

2378
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,580
and got him into this topic like it does

2379
01:43:19,609 --> 01:43:16,800
many of us out there who have podcasts

2380
01:43:21,950 --> 01:43:19,619
or write books about these things and um

2381
01:43:23,810 --> 01:43:21,960
yeah another another one out of Scotland

2382
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,820
that I found really really interesting

2383
01:43:28,129 --> 01:43:25,199
yeah it

2384
01:43:29,930 --> 01:43:28,139
um and it just goes back to uh the

2385
01:43:33,290 --> 01:43:29,940
Dilemma

2386
01:43:36,609 --> 01:43:33,300
um as a host do you want to become the

2387
01:43:39,229 --> 01:43:36,619
story right and in journalism

2388
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:39,239
uh you know when you're learning the

2389
01:43:43,010 --> 01:43:41,340
craft and and you're in school that's

2390
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:43,020
one of the things that is straight don't

2391
01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:46,560
become a part of the story you can't do

2392
01:43:52,430 --> 01:43:50,460
that and so it's a dilemma where I've

2393
01:43:54,370 --> 01:43:52,440
got a lot of experiences and maybe

2394
01:43:57,890 --> 01:43:54,380
something recently just happened

2395
01:44:00,649 --> 01:43:57,900
do I or do I just continue just to

2396
01:44:03,950 --> 01:44:00,659
interview and collect the information

2397
01:44:05,930 --> 01:44:03,960
um do I want to do that

2398
01:44:08,209 --> 01:44:05,940
um and I haven't shared everything I

2399
01:44:10,250 --> 01:44:08,219
haven't I haven't it it just gets too

2400
01:44:13,129 --> 01:44:10,260
crazy like that thing I talked about

2401
01:44:16,910 --> 01:44:13,139
with the three spots on my leg there was

2402
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:16,920
just no way I was going to

2403
01:44:25,370 --> 01:44:21,360
um uh again I feel like I'm advertising

2404
01:44:27,709 --> 01:44:25,380
but the other part is I don't want to

2405
01:44:29,930 --> 01:44:27,719
have people call BS

2406
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:29,940
that's an uncomfortable feeling I don't

2407
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:31,920
call BS on people I'll let the audience

2408
01:44:36,109 --> 01:44:34,080
make the decision but I don't want the

2409
01:44:37,850 --> 01:44:36,119
audience calling BS on me either and

2410
01:44:40,250 --> 01:44:37,860
then suddenly dividing the audience and

2411
01:44:43,010 --> 01:44:40,260
getting them fighting over it it's a

2412
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,020
dilemma what do you what do you do with

2413
01:44:49,790 --> 01:44:45,840
that it's it's it's tough

2414
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:49,800
um I love this next one and uh let's uh

2415
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,600
let's pop it up and uh

2416
01:45:00,350 --> 01:44:56,480
yeah

2417
01:45:02,990 --> 01:45:00,360
I'm wondering is this a Tic Tac

2418
01:45:06,050 --> 01:45:03,000
very very close

2419
01:45:09,050 --> 01:45:06,060
yeah so this one um this happened again

2420
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:09,060
funnily funny enough to another

2421
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:11,040
podcaster

2422
01:45:15,649 --> 01:45:14,159
um in New York I'm assuming right this

2423
01:45:18,050 --> 01:45:15,659
happened up near the Adirondack

2424
01:45:20,930 --> 01:45:18,060
Mountains in New York uh to a gentleman

2425
01:45:24,169 --> 01:45:20,940
named Rob Christopherson he has a show

2426
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,179
called our Strange skies and uh I met

2427
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:26,639
Rob through podcasting we became really

2428
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:29,760
good friends and and colleagues and um

2429
01:45:33,709 --> 01:45:31,920
I'd heard Rumblings that he had his own

2430
01:45:36,290 --> 01:45:33,719
sighting so I asked him do you want to

2431
01:45:37,609 --> 01:45:36,300
tell it on my show and he said I I would

2432
01:45:40,010 --> 01:45:37,619
love to

2433
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:40,020
um and he told this story about

2434
01:45:44,689 --> 01:45:42,000
um you know working him and his friend

2435
01:45:47,689 --> 01:45:44,699
they worked at a nursing home up there

2436
01:45:49,850 --> 01:45:47,699
in the Adirondacks and uh they were out

2437
01:45:52,250 --> 01:45:49,860
on a smoke break one day and they look

2438
01:45:56,689 --> 01:45:52,260
up in the sky him and his buddy and they

2439
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:56,699
see a egg-shaped craft just floating

2440
01:46:03,890 --> 01:46:01,199
there in the sky perfectly egg-shaped

2441
01:46:07,129 --> 01:46:03,900
um and it just stayed there for a few

2442
01:46:09,290 --> 01:46:07,139
minutes floated by and then shot up in

2443
01:46:12,649 --> 01:46:09,300
the sky and disappeared

2444
01:46:16,010 --> 01:46:12,659
um so this was interesting because Rob

2445
01:46:18,770 --> 01:46:16,020
is probably one of the most encyclopedic

2446
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:18,780
UFO researchers I've ever met

2447
01:46:24,050 --> 01:46:20,880
um unlike me he can like go to a date

2448
01:46:25,609 --> 01:46:24,060
and a location and tell you 10 different

2449
01:46:27,950 --> 01:46:25,619
UFO stories that have happened there

2450
01:46:30,109 --> 01:46:27,960
throughout history incredible

2451
01:46:33,470 --> 01:46:30,119
um so he actually likened his experience

2452
01:46:36,050 --> 01:46:33,480
to the um the craft scene at the Socorro

2453
01:46:37,790 --> 01:46:36,060
New Mexico crash or excuse me Landing

2454
01:46:39,890 --> 01:46:37,800
not a crash

2455
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:39,900
um of this oval shaped craft perfectly

2456
01:46:45,709 --> 01:46:43,920
white little appendages and um and yeah

2457
01:46:47,930 --> 01:46:45,719
yeah so I found that really interesting

2458
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:47,940
that um and that's one of his favorite

2459
01:46:52,490 --> 01:46:50,400
cases as well because I think it struck

2460
01:46:55,070 --> 01:46:52,500
a chord with them having had this

2461
01:46:57,229 --> 01:46:55,080
experience so um it's interesting so

2462
01:46:59,629 --> 01:46:57,239
many of the people that I've met who

2463
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:59,639
have like UFO podcasts or into this

2464
01:47:05,090 --> 01:47:02,159
stuff have all had an experience of some

2465
01:47:06,770 --> 01:47:05,100
kind and that was kind of their origin

2466
01:47:08,689 --> 01:47:06,780
story of how they got involved with

2467
01:47:11,810 --> 01:47:08,699
these and the Adirondack egg was just

2468
01:47:15,129 --> 01:47:11,820
another another example of that yeah

2469
01:47:17,810 --> 01:47:15,139
um let's talk about Sakura for a second

2470
01:47:21,229 --> 01:47:17,820
you know if I have

2471
01:47:24,530 --> 01:47:21,239
me personally if I have a top 10 or you

2472
01:47:26,689 --> 01:47:24,540
know a top five or a top three right and

2473
01:47:28,129 --> 01:47:26,699
you're whittling this stuff down and I

2474
01:47:31,010 --> 01:47:28,139
think Socorro is going to be up there

2475
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:31,020
it's absolutely one of those cases and

2476
01:47:36,109 --> 01:47:35,040
and Roswell yeah you know it is what it

2477
01:47:46,189 --> 01:47:36,119
is

2478
01:47:52,609 --> 01:47:46,199
that

2479
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:52,619
includes uh rendlesham I don't think a

2480
01:47:57,729 --> 01:47:55,199
case has been uh quite thoroughly as

2481
01:47:59,930 --> 01:47:57,739
investigated as Socorro

2482
01:48:03,169 --> 01:47:59,940
roswell's different that's that's in

2483
01:48:05,930 --> 01:48:03,179
mystery well you know that that's that's

2484
01:48:08,689 --> 01:48:05,940
a different that's that's hidden right

2485
01:48:10,669 --> 01:48:08,699
but Socorro was a public investigation

2486
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:10,679
that was a blue book case that was J

2487
01:48:15,649 --> 01:48:12,540
Alan heineck that was Jacques valet that

2488
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:15,659
was the FBI was on the scene we have the

2489
01:48:20,990 --> 01:48:17,040
names we have the list we have

2490
01:48:23,390 --> 01:48:21,000
everything that there's a lot of a lot

2491
01:48:25,310 --> 01:48:23,400
of uh we have the physical the trace

2492
01:48:28,910 --> 01:48:25,320
evidence there's a lot of stuff

2493
01:48:31,490 --> 01:48:28,920
supporting uh the Socorro case it's way

2494
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:31,500
up there but then when we step back you

2495
01:48:36,770 --> 01:48:34,320
have to go dude is that a Tic Tac yeah

2496
01:48:38,990 --> 01:48:36,780
wait wait wait wait wait wait there's

2497
01:48:41,090 --> 01:48:39,000
some crazy

2498
01:48:44,270 --> 01:48:41,100
um and and so for you if I'm gonna say

2499
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:44,280
that about Socorro do you have a top one

2500
01:48:52,250 --> 01:48:48,239
two three case uh list for yourself

2501
01:48:56,450 --> 01:48:52,260
oh throughout history yeah

2502
01:48:58,669 --> 01:48:56,460
um for me I I go to the uh the Tehran

2503
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:58,679
incident actually that's probably my

2504
01:49:03,410 --> 01:49:01,199
favorite one um when again one of the

2505
01:49:06,530 --> 01:49:03,420
most well documented cases out there of

2506
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:06,540
parvis Jafari uh Iranian fighter pilot

2507
01:49:13,070 --> 01:49:11,280
who chased a UFO had a very dramatic

2508
01:49:15,649 --> 01:49:13,080
exciting incident

2509
01:49:17,629 --> 01:49:15,659
um I did a whole episode on the case

2510
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:17,639
um back in the day where I actually read

2511
01:49:21,890 --> 01:49:19,199
on air

2512
01:49:24,290 --> 01:49:21,900
um the foia documents that I got from

2513
01:49:28,129 --> 01:49:24,300
the Department of Intelligence on this

2514
01:49:30,649 --> 01:49:28,139
case and it reads like a Sci-Fi novel it

2515
01:49:32,570 --> 01:49:30,659
truly does I I was blown away and I have

2516
01:49:33,770 --> 01:49:32,580
John Greenwald to thank for that um he

2517
01:49:36,530 --> 01:49:33,780
was the one who

2518
01:49:38,510 --> 01:49:36,540
directed me in the right agency to get

2519
01:49:41,330 --> 01:49:38,520
those files so much so much

2520
01:49:44,930 --> 01:49:41,340
documentation there and you know if you

2521
01:49:49,070 --> 01:49:44,940
look at Arrow or atip or any other you

2522
01:49:50,510 --> 01:49:49,080
know like official uh uh group that is

2523
01:49:53,629 --> 01:49:50,520
looking into this now where they're

2524
01:49:55,609 --> 01:49:53,639
looking at military the military side of

2525
01:49:57,169 --> 01:49:55,619
things I would Point them in two

2526
01:49:59,629 --> 01:49:57,179
directions immediately I would say okay

2527
01:50:01,669 --> 01:49:59,639
what the hell happened at Randall shim

2528
01:50:04,970 --> 01:50:01,679
that was the United States Air Force

2529
01:50:07,129 --> 01:50:04,980
case tons of people we got all the stuff

2530
01:50:09,229 --> 01:50:07,139
that you need why aren't you looking

2531
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:09,239
into that and the other one is Tehran

2532
01:50:14,750 --> 01:50:12,300
yeah because the United States Air Force

2533
01:50:17,390 --> 01:50:14,760
was completely involved in that from the

2534
01:50:19,970 --> 01:50:17,400
get-go yes they were I mean the minute

2535
01:50:21,950 --> 01:50:19,980
he got off his his flight after Chasing

2536
01:50:25,370 --> 01:50:21,960
that there were Intelligence Officers

2537
01:50:26,810 --> 01:50:25,380
from the U.S on the tarmac interviewing

2538
01:50:28,970 --> 01:50:26,820
him and wanting to know what happened

2539
01:50:32,570 --> 01:50:28,980
because like you know we were releasing

2540
01:50:35,330 --> 01:50:32,580
our planes to Iran at the time and a UFO

2541
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,340
outmaneuvered shut down its weapon

2542
01:50:42,590 --> 01:50:38,400
system so they wanted to know what did

2543
01:50:45,050 --> 01:50:42,600
that to a U.S you know built aircraft

2544
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,060
um stunning case you know and I mean

2545
01:50:50,450 --> 01:50:47,520
parvis went to his grave

2546
01:50:52,729 --> 01:50:50,460
um telling this story and and striving

2547
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,739
for legitimacy about what happened there

2548
01:50:57,890 --> 01:50:53,760
and

2549
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:57,900
the Grave not knowing what truly

2550
01:51:01,070 --> 01:50:59,280
happened

2551
01:51:03,290 --> 01:51:01,080
um but getting the story out there and

2552
01:51:05,870 --> 01:51:03,300
preserving it for the rest of us to

2553
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:05,880
possibly continue investigating will we

2554
01:51:10,490 --> 01:51:08,400
ever know what it was probably not but

2555
01:51:14,090 --> 01:51:10,500
um we have it and that's what's most

2556
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:14,100
important well he you know it's been so

2557
01:51:19,070 --> 01:51:16,320
well documented and told but for me

2558
01:51:23,149 --> 01:51:19,080
there were two or three telling moments

2559
01:51:25,609 --> 01:51:23,159
in that case one he had lock on two he

2560
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:25,619
was going to shoot it down three he was

2561
01:51:31,010 --> 01:51:27,840
gonna pull the trigger he pulled the

2562
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,020
trigger and the electronics shut down on

2563
01:51:36,530 --> 01:51:33,360
the aircraft and this is all documented

2564
01:51:38,030 --> 01:51:36,540
stuff and that uh the siding and the

2565
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,040
thing and the radar in the United States

2566
01:51:43,550 --> 01:51:40,560
Air Force and and the debriefing and and

2567
01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:43,560
all of that the radar and the ground

2568
01:51:47,629 --> 01:51:45,780
control and why he was scrambled to

2569
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:47,639
begin all of that is there

2570
01:51:53,870 --> 01:51:50,239
but we are talking about a moment of

2571
01:51:57,169 --> 01:51:53,880
lock-on armed pulled the trigger three

2572
01:51:59,330 --> 01:51:57,179
things that's nuts that's a pretty big

2573
01:52:01,250 --> 01:51:59,340
part of this case pretty big part all

2574
01:52:02,649 --> 01:52:01,260
right I've got one more

2575
01:52:05,689 --> 01:52:02,659
um and I'm glad that you brought

2576
01:52:08,570 --> 01:52:05,699
reminded everybody of that case you know

2577
01:52:11,870 --> 01:52:08,580
uh we want to go with the Malmstrom and

2578
01:52:15,229 --> 01:52:11,880
and Travis Walt oh great you know um uh

2579
01:52:17,570 --> 01:52:15,239
uh yes Roswell yes I get all of that

2580
01:52:20,570 --> 01:52:17,580
Phoenix Lights but there's other cases

2581
01:52:22,189 --> 01:52:20,580
out there that are ginormous I don't

2582
01:52:24,410 --> 01:52:22,199
think randallship gets the recognition

2583
01:52:26,750 --> 01:52:24,420
that it should either

2584
01:52:29,390 --> 01:52:26,760
um you know in in our UFO Community

2585
01:52:31,669 --> 01:52:29,400
possibly but for the rest of the world

2586
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:31,679
and every now I think rental Jim is is

2587
01:52:37,930 --> 01:52:34,320
is that case because everybody's still

2588
01:52:41,810 --> 01:52:37,940
alive you know even though it's 40 years

2589
01:52:43,729 --> 01:52:41,820
what are we up to now 43 years ago yeah

2590
01:52:45,290 --> 01:52:43,739
but everybody's still with us and

2591
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:45,300
they're all our good friends and of

2592
01:52:49,370 --> 01:52:47,760
course you too as well

2593
01:52:52,910 --> 01:52:49,380
um and and those Witnesses are right

2594
01:52:56,510 --> 01:52:52,920
there okay here is the next one and it

2595
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:56,520
might be the craziest of them all so

2596
01:53:03,169 --> 01:52:59,360
here we go I want your reaction

2597
01:53:05,629 --> 01:53:03,179
oh yeah so this is in

2598
01:53:07,790 --> 01:53:05,639
um a section of the book uh deemed close

2599
01:53:10,010 --> 01:53:07,800
encounters so I broke the book up into

2600
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:10,020
three sections you've got sightings

2601
01:53:16,490 --> 01:53:13,440
Close Encounters and Military incidents

2602
01:53:18,470 --> 01:53:16,500
um and this one was in the close

2603
01:53:19,729 --> 01:53:18,480
encounters one because this happened to

2604
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:19,739
a guy

2605
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:23,760
um Patrick who was in New Jersey at the

2606
01:53:26,689 --> 01:53:24,960
time

2607
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,699
um at a river there I believe he was

2608
01:53:31,070 --> 01:53:28,560
fishing with some friends so that comes

2609
01:53:32,930 --> 01:53:31,080
up a lot in ufology too I had my

2610
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:32,940
sighting while I was fishing you've got

2611
01:53:36,410 --> 01:53:34,800
the famous Pascagoula incident where

2612
01:53:39,770 --> 01:53:36,420
they were fishing

2613
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:39,780
um the Allagash it's endless so talk

2614
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:41,040
about patterns there's definitely

2615
01:53:50,470 --> 01:53:48,050
um but this was a case again unlike

2616
01:53:53,450 --> 01:53:50,480
anything I'd really heard before where

2617
01:53:56,570 --> 01:53:53,460
UFOs had been cited in this area in New

2618
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,580
Jersey for a really long time and um he

2619
01:54:01,310 --> 01:53:59,040
and a buddy were out there hiking uh

2620
01:54:04,010 --> 01:54:01,320
fishing all that stuff all that woodsy

2621
01:54:07,129 --> 01:54:04,020
stuff you do in New Jersey and

2622
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,139
um they saw these UFOs overhead and then

2623
01:54:11,930 --> 01:54:09,360
it's what they saw on the ground that

2624
01:54:14,930 --> 01:54:11,940
really really stunned them and that was

2625
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:14,940
what they called the Mantis man

2626
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:16,800
you know in the world of UFOs we hear

2627
01:54:20,870 --> 01:54:19,440
all the time about reptilians and and

2628
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:20,880
stuff like that

2629
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:23,280
um even mantis creatures we've heard

2630
01:54:26,990 --> 01:54:24,960
this in the abduction lore for a very

2631
01:54:28,910 --> 01:54:27,000
long time uh but this is not an

2632
01:54:31,310 --> 01:54:28,920
abduction by any stretch this was just a

2633
01:54:35,450 --> 01:54:31,320
close encounter they saw standing

2634
01:54:37,490 --> 01:54:35,460
upright near this River a humanoid

2635
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:37,500
figure not a not humanoid I mean it was

2636
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:39,119
standing upright but it did not look

2637
01:54:45,709 --> 01:54:42,719
human at all it was a huge mantis just

2638
01:54:47,629 --> 01:54:45,719
staring at them and uh this was a moment

2639
01:54:52,370 --> 01:54:47,639
that Patrick and his friend

2640
01:54:55,609 --> 01:54:52,380
um they sort of described it as

2641
01:54:58,970 --> 01:54:55,619
how did he put it um spiritual

2642
01:55:00,050 --> 01:54:58,980
but also very dark

2643
01:55:02,330 --> 01:55:00,060
um

2644
01:55:04,189 --> 01:55:02,340
they weren't sure what to make of it but

2645
01:55:06,169 --> 01:55:04,199
they knew that this had something to do

2646
01:55:08,990 --> 01:55:06,179
with God

2647
01:55:10,669 --> 01:55:09,000
and I found that fascinating because you

2648
01:55:12,830 --> 01:55:10,679
don't hear that often when it comes to

2649
01:55:15,229 --> 01:55:12,840
these mantis creatures usually it's like

2650
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,239
they're evil or maybe they're demonic or

2651
01:55:19,250 --> 01:55:17,040
something like that but these guys

2652
01:55:21,229 --> 01:55:19,260
actually felt that it was miraculous in

2653
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:21,239
a way that they were seeing this for a

2654
01:55:25,550 --> 01:55:22,800
different reason

2655
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:25,560
um so yeah again a lot of the stories in

2656
01:55:28,910 --> 01:55:27,119
this book they don't go in the direction

2657
01:55:31,850 --> 01:55:28,920
you think they're gonna go and that's

2658
01:55:34,250 --> 01:55:31,860
what again makes me feel that these are

2659
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:34,260
more human than we can possibly imagine

2660
01:55:39,770 --> 01:55:36,480
the interpretation of the experiences

2661
01:55:42,290 --> 01:55:39,780
are weird and unexpected and um and

2662
01:55:44,090 --> 01:55:42,300
messy and scary and beautiful and

2663
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:44,100
everything in between and this was an

2664
01:55:48,169 --> 01:55:45,840
example of that you would expect a story

2665
01:55:50,750 --> 01:55:48,179
about the mantis men to be absolutely

2666
01:55:52,850 --> 01:55:50,760
terrifying and it is but at the end of

2667
01:55:56,030 --> 01:55:52,860
the day these guys took a very positive

2668
01:55:57,709 --> 01:55:56,040
approach to the experience so um yeah

2669
01:56:00,050 --> 01:55:57,719
the madness man of New Jersey is

2670
01:56:01,970 --> 01:56:00,060
definitely one um I'm missing a million

2671
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:01,980
details of the story so I hope people

2672
01:56:11,870 --> 01:56:09,109
the the links are below you go to Amazon

2673
01:56:13,970 --> 01:56:11,880
and we've got it over on our website and

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everything but uh stories from somewhere

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in the skies here is

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um here's the thing

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over and over again and I don't know the

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connection here

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but when you picture a manta's being

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when somebody's telling you know about

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their experience dude it's pretty damn

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frightening something I don't want but

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everybody says no man actually the

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Mantis dudes are pretty cool

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01:56:46,129 --> 01:56:43,619
it doesn't make any sense but when you

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look at a praying mantis right and I see

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them all the time out here that I do

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nothing looks more alien or E.T I'm

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01:56:57,530 --> 01:56:54,000
planning or in a praying mantis and it's

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an is easy visualization but I I haven't

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heard too many negative stories that the

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praying that the Mantis beings have have

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always been the intelligent ones

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01:57:11,030 --> 01:57:09,060
um in in these encounters right yeah I

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know you look at like the Grays is like

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these emotionless robotic soulless

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01:57:19,250 --> 01:57:16,860
things that don't care about what

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01:57:20,629 --> 01:57:19,260
they're doing to human beings

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01:57:23,810 --> 01:57:20,639
um where you would expect them to be

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01:57:27,290 --> 01:57:23,820
like the the cute little Grace you know

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01:57:29,209 --> 01:57:27,300
that are like just visiting yeah talking

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01:57:31,310 --> 01:57:29,219
with you yeah yeah but that's clearly

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01:57:33,950 --> 01:57:31,320
not the case no it's not the case it's

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01:57:36,709 --> 01:57:33,960
it's the gray ones it's the silent gray

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01:57:40,129 --> 01:57:36,719
ones that you need to worry about it's

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01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:40,139
always the quiet ones yeah hey Ryan uh

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01:57:45,229 --> 01:57:43,199
don't be a stranger my friend and the

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book is a great read everybody the links

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01:57:49,370 --> 01:57:47,940
are below congratulations to your

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01:57:50,750 --> 01:57:49,380
success and I look forward to our next

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01:57:53,149 --> 01:57:50,760
conversation thank you so much Ryan

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01:57:54,050 --> 01:57:53,159
behave my honor Jimmy thank you as

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01:57:57,709 --> 01:57:54,060
always

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the very best Ryan Sprague somewhere in

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01:58:02,870 --> 01:58:00,179
the skies and the book is stories from

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01:58:04,370 --> 01:58:02,880
somewhere in the skies again the links

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01:58:06,169 --> 01:58:04,380
are below and you can go and visit

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01:58:09,050 --> 01:58:06,179
Ryan's website and of course check out

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01:58:11,089 --> 01:58:09,060
his podcast somewhere in the skies dude

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is getting it done thank you so much

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Ryan and uh so with that I've got a very

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busy week coming up on Fade to Black

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I'll see everybody tomorrow night this

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this week we've got the spirit Destiny

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01:58:25,729 --> 01:58:23,460
we've got artificial intelligence we're

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01:58:27,530 --> 01:58:25,739
also wrapping up the week with Billy

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01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:27,540
Carlson Fade to Black is produced by

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01:58:34,010 --> 01:58:32,580
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01:58:36,530 --> 01:58:34,020
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01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:36,540
tonight webmaster is Drew the geek music

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01:58:41,089 --> 01:58:38,719
Doug Aldridge intro spaceboy

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01:58:43,189 --> 01:58:41,099
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01:58:48,530 --> 01:58:45,119
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01:59:01,729 --> 01:59:00,239
church until tomorrow night I want you

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